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  Sad Update on Abuser

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi folks,.

  many of you may recall my account of sil's dad.

  he was arrested in early 2002, put on trial in 2003, and spent 6 months of a five year sentence in jail for molesting a young girl of twelve.

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  Hi SAHS,

  Just a little side point: I thought that a lie detector test could not actually be used by itself as the sole evidence for a legal conviction. Does the law on this vary among different states?

  In most states, a lie detector test cannot be used against a criminal defendant. In some states, it can be used, depending on the judge and jurisdiction involved.

  I?ve heard that it is possible for some people to ?fool? a lie detector machine so that it doesn?t pick up evidence of lying. (There must be some mental ?trick? to that.)

  It is nearly impossible to fool a lie detector, as it measures too many human responses for a person to control. Some few people have been able to fool a lie detector if they are trained and practiced many times on a polygraph machine. The notion that we can fool it is mostly myth. The very few cases where it proved inaccurate, have led courts to not trust it entirely.

  If it?s possible that a lie detector may fail to pick up actual lying, is it also possible that such a machine may give a false indication of lying when a person may actually not be lying due to extreme anxiety or some other factor?

  No, this cannot happen. A person is first checked out several times on a polygraph to calibrate all of their nervousness and feelings of anxiety. Once this calibration is complete, then the polygraph can commence.

  Has there been any scientific research into the validity of these machines one way or the other?

  Yes. I used to have the links, but they are on my old PC. There is good science on polygraphs. However, there are many "junk" sites that are against lie detectors that are not good science.

  A defense attorney once stated to me that the odds of a person being able to "fool" a lie detector are about one in a million. But, for the courts, a defense attorney will argue that it is one in a million too many. - Jim W.
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  Sad Update on Abuser

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi folks,.

  many of you may recall my account of sil's dad.

  he was arrested in early 2002, put on trial in 2003, and spent 6 months of a five year sentence in jail for molesting a young girl of twelve.

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  Amazing1914

  Hi Blondie,

  The legal entity is Child Services. They take advisement from the Judge and Prosecutor, and then using their agency procedures, Child Services determines if a child needs to be removed and placed in another environment. So, in this case, Child Services was notified of his arrest, tiral, conviction, jail sentance, and release. At all times Child Services allowed him to retain custody of his grandson. While in jail, his wife (grandma) kept the child. The prosecutor told me that he and the judge notified Child Services each step of the process. But, under state law, Child Services calls all the shots and make the final decisions. Go figure.
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  Sad Update on Abuser

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi folks,.

  many of you may recall my account of sil's dad.

  he was arrested in early 2002, put on trial in 2003, and spent 6 months of a five year sentence in jail for molesting a young girl of twelve.

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  Hi Blondie,
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  Name Things That "Prove" JWs Have The "Truth".

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  ....this could be interesting.....

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  Amazing1914

  Like Corvin, I'm still thinking ... uhmmmmm ... let's see ... mmmmmmm ... I'll let you know if I ever think of anything.
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  Sad Update on Abuser

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  hi folks,.

  many of you may recall my account of sil's dad.

  he was arrested in early 2002, put on trial in 2003, and spent 6 months of a five year sentence in jail for molesting a young girl of twelve.

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  Amazing1914

  Hi folks,
  

  Many of you may recall my account of Sil's dad. He was arrested in early 2002, put on trial in 2003, and spent 6 months of a five year sentence in jail for molesting a young girl of twelve. NBC Dateline followed this story for a while from behind the scenes, but did not include it in their famous showing in June 2002. NBC followed up with me for a while after the show aired, but have not done so recently.

  When he got out of jail, he was allowed to keep custody of his young grandson who was about 4 or 5 at the time. The judge and prosecutor could only warn Child Services. It was up to Child Services to make the crucial decision. They chose unwisely. Here is what recently happened.

  Sil's dad was arrested again after he failed several lie detector tests. In his state, a convicted child molester can be arrested and their parole revoked if they fail quarterly lie detector tests. Evidently, based on the lie detector results, it is suspected he molested his young grandson who lives with him. This issue is in progress, so I will let you know the outcome as it happens.

  The problem with all of this is that this man may have been counseled many years by the local JW Elders, but do to their policies of not reporting this crime to authorities, he was never dealt with before now. Although, to be intellectually fair and honest, he may never have revealed past crimes to the Elders. We know he did reveal this to the Elders when he was first arrested in 2002 because it was also in the newspapers - and the Elders reproved him. That said, if he confessed additional crimes to the Elders, the authorities would still not know about it as they should.

  Additionally, while we all know how the JW / Watchtower policies have allowed this problem to continue among their ranks, we have to strongly hold the same level of accounting regarding Child Services in many locations and in some states. As citizens, we need to have the best professional people in child services involved, as well as better laws. We don't want innocent parents and family being wrongly accused of this crime, but we also don't want situations like this one, where the molester gets to have continued access to minors in his own home.

  I hope that when some of you see situations similar to this one show up in the news media, that maybe some of you can take some time to get involved in community activism and demand better from our government servants. They work for us, and we pay a huge price for such service. We at least have the right to demand accountability from them too, as well as needed changes in their procedures.

  Thanks, Jim W.

  PS: This post should be moved to the Child Abuse section in a couple of days.
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  Is God a Flip-Flopper?

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have never been able to find a satisfactory answer to these two verses from the bible:exodus 34:7: keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.. .

  deut.

  24:16: the fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.. .

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  Amazing1914

  I have never been able to find a satisfactory answer to these two verses from the Bible:

  Exodus 34:7: Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

  Deut. 24:16: The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

  Can you explain the contradiction? It seems like God may be flip-flopping. Jim W.
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  Franz - Schnell

  by core in

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  2. friends

  many times on this board people post to say a factor in their leaving the wt was having read ray franz book(s) - many years ago william schnell published a book - 30 years a watchtower slave - have never seen this book but was wondering - has anyone read it ?

  was it as effective as crisis of conscience in exposing the myth of "the truth"?

  - did it have an imact when it was publised?

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  Lady Lee,

  I enjoyed your comments about Schell. As I noted above, Schnell's book is slop, however, because of a few things. Books in the 1950s were as well written as they are today, so that is not a factor in his writing style. Rather, his credibility is what concerns me. He is an admitted alcoholic, which may well have distorted his observations. But worse, is that he was not a Watchtower Slave for 30 years. He was not in a position long enough to have formed the all of opinions he held of Bethel. In the end, his book became a marketing work for the Trinity. Nonetheless, I happen to agree with you, that he does provide some historical perspective that helps us understand the times he lived in, and how the Society functioned under Rutherford. I think it helps to have in on my book shelf.
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  Former JW Conference, October 21-24 in Wenatchee WA.

  by jst2laws in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  you are invited to attend a conference of former jws october 21-24 at 1835 n. western in wenatchee wa 98801. this is an annual event organized by richard rawe and his associates.

  richard is the exjw who's story was portrayed in the "good faith" off broadway play.

  if you are like me the word conference conjures feeling associated the word convention.

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  I will be there ... debating Jim Penton ... should be fascinating. - Jim Whitney
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  What's the first worldly thing you did when you left?

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after you left the jws, what was the first worldly thing you did?

  the day after my last meeting, i got really really drunk.

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  Amazing1914

  I smoked. -
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  Delivery tip?

  by FMZ in

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  yep, i am still new to this american tipping stuff, and i want to order some chinese to be delivered.... do you tip the delivery guy?

  hmmmm..... fmz

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  Amazing1914

  I tip the delivery person because they often work for minimum wages, and so tips are very important to them. Also, they often drive their own vehicles, and pay for their own gasoline. So, I am generous to about 20%. - Jim W.