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  intersexed individuals & jws.

  by singsongboi in

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  i'm looking for information & experiences that intersexed people may have had in the congregations of jws.. if u are not sure what an intersexed person is u could check out this site... http://hermaphrodite.arriba.net/ .

  or if u pefer your text to be paper based rather than pixel, try the book ' hermaphrodites & the medical invention of sex', by alice domerut dreger (1998)... i seem to remember an australian transexual who had been male & a jw and who finished up in the uk.... wrote a book if i remember correctly!

  possibly his/her first name was also ken.. would appreciate any information & experiences-- whether positive or negative

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  ApostasyDuJour

  Try this web site:
  http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/3573/transsexual.html
  You might also try contacting some of the Common Bond web sites:
  http://www.geocities.com/commonbondeast/ma/
  They're gay/lesbian but might have contact with transsexuals too.
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  I could'nt believe my eyes!!

  by BQE in

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  i was hanging around my mom's house yesterday, and i just happened to leaf through the january 8th afake!

  magazine, about the wtc disaster.. no doubt that perhaps many of the sept. 11 experiences are real, but what i mostly read were these shameless advertisements for the watchtower complex in downtown brooklyn!!

  i was appalled!!

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  BQE,
  Your observations are correct. Guards WERE posted at Bethel to keep "outsiders" from coming on their premises after the 9-11 attacks. Bethel was placed in a state of complete lock-down. The information presented in the Awake! issue entitled "Courage in the Face of Disaster" on the cover is inaccurate. To say the least, the Governing Body did not display courage, but cowardice. The following is an email which was sent by a Bro. Navarro from Bethel, and which briefly appeared on a pro-JW web site, but was quickly removed within 48 hours. Fortunately, I retained the text. Here is Bro. Navarro's email, verbatim:
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  I just got this from Bro. Luis Navarro at bethel!
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  Dear Brother and Sisters,

  It's 2:30 AM and the phone lines are now open around
  here. Hopefully,you'll be able to get this message.
  Pardon the "generic look" but I wanted to pass this
  one as soon as possible I have a Manhattan view
  from my office here in Brooklyn. I got to see
  everything first hand. It was not pleasant. Bethel is
  located across the East River from Manhattan
  so any explosions and buildings collapsing did not
  affect us but the smoke did. They evacuated the 360
  Furman building after lunch because
  the wind was blowing the smoke from the explosion
  toward it.

  Here in the Factory, we shut off all ventilation,
  presses, bindery, windows, etc. We all went to the
  main lobby where the Bindery Overseer said a prayer.
  We were then sent to the 90 Sands Dining room. I ended
  up
  with the security detail in one of the lobbies.

  At lunch, Brother Losch, from the Governing Body,
  reflecting that this disaster might be able to help
  other be more receptive to the truth, read an
  announcement from the Branch Committee. It basically
  told us to be more conscious of security since the
  police would be busy with the disaster. (We posted
  extra watchman all over the place.) We were
  "encouraged" to stay within the Bethel compound and
  not venture to the meetings or territory.The
  colloquial term the younger ones around here
  is lockdown.

  Each body of elders then started contacting the
  different ones in their book study groups, who in turn
  contacted the presiding overseer who in then passed it
  on to the assembly overseers, then the circuit
  overseer
  and then to Bethel. By 10:30 pm tonight, everyone from
  my circuit (1 of several here in the city) was
  accounted for. It took a long time because
  all subways were shut down and everyone had to walk
  over the bridges. Cell phones, pay phones and any
  radio equipment were useless because the
  main antenna system was on one of the twin towers.
  Kids were not able to get home since the school would
  not release them until the parents picked them up.
  Meanwhile, the parents couldn't pick them up because
  they too were stuck in the city. So, it was a rather
  long day.

  One family visiting Bethel was taking a tour. They
  were staying at the World Trade Center Marriot and had
  just gotten in early to tour when they saw the
  explosion. They lost all their belongings in the
  explosion but were alive. They were shaken up but
  glad to be alive.
  Bethel fed them and was later told, housed until
  further notice. They told me that all the guests
  visiting were invited to have a meal with the
  Bethel family.

  Meanwhile, the MASSIVE exodus from Manhattan over the
  Brooklyn Bridge was orderly and calm.

  Tomorrow morning, no doubt we'll have a more accurate
  report at Morning worship. I'll let you know of any
  updates then.

  The best thing we can all do is pray to Jehovah and
  help others appreciate in the field that the answer
  to these problems is the kingdom and that it is NOT
  as far away as some think.

  Love,

  Luis Navarro
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  Hunt for Bin Laden--He's in Disguise!

  by Bendrr in

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  osama's on the run.

  a secret source released this photo today of his latest disguise.. - http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/7cfd2c28/bc/humor/bin_laden_disguise.jpg?bcxtbh8aj_5rklej.

  (having trouble getting my yahoo photos to show up here, let me know if the link doesn't work).

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  NEWS FLASH!
  Osama Bin Laden has converted to Jehovah's Witness!
  Please visit http://xfiles.coolchannel.com/rutherford//index.shtml for photographic proof!
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  Famous JW's

  by teenyuck in

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  just curious...does anyone know if there are any famous jw's?

  i have heard about the jackson family (michael, janet, etc.

  ) and prince, however, i have been unable to find any official web site information that confirms their beliefs.

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  Yes it was Teresa Graves.

  And let's not forget author Mickey Spillane. What is his current status anyway? I heard he's recently disfellowshipped again for the who-knows-how-many time....
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  Battered Lambs Webpage (new)

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  after reviewing the society's vapid interest in helping battered women and seeing the many sad stories posted as a result of the article, i have a new addition to the silentlambs website.. a new webpage for battered lambs.. this will be accessed off the victims page with a clickable link.

  there you will be able to read the stories of those who have suffered physical abuse at the hands of wt policy.

  all stories will be posted anonymously of course and there will also be a second poems and thoughts page dedicated to victims of physical abuse.

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  Have you seen the November 8th "Awake!" yet?
  It's linked here: http://awake11801.homestead.com/Awake.html
  Talk about too little too late!
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  Rejoicing in the Death of the Innocents

  by ApostasyDuJour in

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  i have been spending time in live jw chat rooms since the events of 9-11. listening to the jws chat amongst themselves and seeing how they are reacting to this atrocity, i am both horrified and sickened.

  as stated on another board i frequent:.

  "for any religion to use this horrific act of terror as a means to proselytize is almost as reprehensible as the act of terrorism itself!".

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  I have been spending time in live JW chat rooms since the events of 9-11. Listening to the JWs chat amongst themselves and seeing how they are reacting to this atrocity, I am both horrified and sickened. As stated on another board I frequent:

  "For any religion to use this horrific act of terror as a means to proselytize is almost as reprehensible as the act of terrorism itself!"

  But it has also brought back memories from when I was a JW back in the '70's, and we were all so certain that Armageddon was going to happen almost immediately.

  I was the only member of my family who ever became a JW (I was proselytized at the age of 17). My father was a Presbyterian minister. Needless to say, my parents were "opposers". I loved my family very, very much. The thought of them being destroyed at Armageddon and my never seeing them again was too much for me to consider, so I quietly and privately prayed for their deaths before the tribulation.

  For many years I was haunted by a guilty conscience over these prayers. I finally told my family about them, and fortunately they took it with a grain of salt and went about their business.

  But, it makes me think: I wonder how many JWs out there lost "worldly" family members in the WTC collapse? And, I wonder how many of them are rejoicing at those deaths because "now they will see them in the resurrection"?

  I can't help but remember my own sick prayers, and I weep for those misguided individuals, depraved by a cultic faith system that demands conformity at all costs, even at the expense of one's own family. Perhaps the WTBTS needs to change it's name to the "Watchtower Jihad"?
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  Your best caption please.

  by nicolaou in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we all know how this works, just give us your best caption for this pic' .

  [why do i get the feeling that 'gutter' will crop up more than once?].

  nic'.

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  "Daddy, why are you wearing that disguise?"
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  Why are there more sisters than brothers?

  by expatbrit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is generally acknowledged, and confirmed by experience, that there is a significant gender imbalance in the organisation.. there are considerably more sisters than there are brothers.

  that's great for the brothers, because a lot of the poor jw lasses get so desperate that even the most dorky of brothers can take his pick.. but why is there this imbalance?.

  it's true that birth rates show slightly more females being born than males (mother nature's way of safeguarding the future?

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  With the JW puritanical attitude, men are more likely to stray from their marriage vows than women, thus they fall away with considerably less difficulty. Also, because of that same prudishness, I suppose most men aren't as easily proselytized.
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  We'll have a gay ol' time

  by riz in

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  i recall having a conversation with a friend about homosexuality not too long ago.

  he put a new spin on the subject that i had never thought of before.

  he said his opinion was that the bible condemns homosexuality for the simple fact that the act of sex between same-sex partners does not produce children.

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  ApostasyDuJour

  Perhaps, in the New System, when the world is fully populated to it's maximum potential, Jehovah, in his infinite wisdom, will turn us all gay.
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  Do You Think That You Might Turn Back To Jehovah?

  by Englishman in

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  2. friends

  i`ve never yet been snubbed by a jw.

  the reason is that i refuse point blank to speak to them unless they speak to me first.

  so, if i`m visiting my jw mum and jw visitors arrive which they often do i just smile, raise one eyebrow slightly, and look `em straight in the eye!.

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  How do you reply to being asked: ”Do you think that you might turn back to Jehovah one day, perhaps?”

  My response would be:
  "I think that I may turn into Jehovah one day!!!!"

  Watch 'em run!!
  ADJ

  "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."

  Edited by - ApostasyDuJour on 23 March 2001 21:52:0