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alright, call me dumb, go ahead get it outta your system..... .
anyway, what exactly is the meaning of this word "racket" that they love to refer to?
Outside our distriction conventions there was always a man with a sandwich board who used a megaphone to declare that the "Watchtower was a snare and a racket." As a new JW I was told to not look him in the eye and that he was an apostate.
It was later that I found out about how 'we' used to call religion a "snare and a racket." He, at least to me, made some sense by that point.
Hmmm. Maybe that was the beginning of the end for me. hehe
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
The Bethany Hughes story is very interesting for me (the one where the father is suing). I know all about it...from the JW side of things. Now, being out, I see a totally different side.
It's so very very sad.
if this post is not appropriate for this forum, the mods can remove it.. i have cd copies of the wt library 1999 (qty: 1), and burned copies of the wt library 2001 (qty: 2).
i have no interest in them.
i doubt most people here do either.
Nono..Nathan, I was responding to Dorothy's post to explain that mine were the WT BS things that would have no inherent value or older books to pick apart (now, there are newer books...hehe). You're fine, and your post is more than welcome and makes sense to be included here (although that last phrase I don't think makes sense *runs off to get more coffee*).
And to verify, all my CDs are now GONE. If anyone else has CDs they want to get rid of, feel free to toss your post up too. Or anything else of sale.
I have new(ish) books as well that I intend to get rid of, but not yet. Once I figure it out, I may offer those up too. Still deciding.
:)
Edit: Oh god, some days I just am scattered...I'm calling it "bride brain." I read your "WT BS CD" and was thinking it was the Official WTS cd like I have, but you gave it the (appropriate) title of being BS (aka bull-crap). I have things bass-ackwards.
WTS official = bad (but inherent value in having it for those who want to expose them)
Nathan's info = good (and fills the gaps)
Edited again because I can't spell. *goes away to lay down*
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
Undaunted Danny's post reminded me of something that also opened my eyes. It was in February/March of this year (basically at the time I disassociated). I am trying to build my business as a Technical and Business writer and one of my clients, a non-profit organization, asked me if I'd consider doing some writing work for his son. Newsletters and some press releases/promotional material. It was quite weird, because his son is a pastor in a church and it was church info I was working on.
Part of what I did was speak to both pastors in the church (via phone interview). I can recall feeling VERY leery of talking to them (still hadn't quite realized the WTS was as bad and still had the 'get out of Babylon' mentality), but after listening to the many many (many many many) community involvement activities; from schooling, to supporting low income Mexican coffee farmers, to taking in homeless people and their families for a week at a time for a specific program, to the parish nursing program they were expanding to outreach into the community (to non-parishoners!), to the interfaith community they were a part of...well, let's just say that I was COMPLETELY poleaxed at what an 'active' faith could accomplish. And this was a congregation of 120 members or so...many of them senior.
I wasn't raised in a religion, joined JWs at 21 and am now 35 and out. In light of what the WTS *could* be doing with their time, money, additional assets, it absolutely disgusts me that they don't do even the basic Christian things. The majority of the JWs I know are quite comfortable and don't go out of their way to help others. Sick.
watchtower bible & tract society of new york.
25 columbia heights, brooklyn, 11201.
revenue: $951 million.
*and the penny drops*
Shamus! Of course! When I read your post about them locking the doors on Sep 11/01 I thought...that doesn't make any sense. I heard that they helped and provided food and shelter etc.
Then I realized...I heard that via the WT/meetings.
It's bizarre how much of this has shaped my perceptions and it's only when I give it conscious thought that I am able to attibute it to the correct place. I hadn't thought of Sep 11 since I left the 'troof,' so hadn't thought about the lies probably told around that too.
They really are quite sheisty in their practices aren't they?
if this post is not appropriate for this forum, the mods can remove it.. i have cd copies of the wt library 1999 (qty: 1), and burned copies of the wt library 2001 (qty: 2).
i have no interest in them.
i doubt most people here do either.
The WT CDs are the ones provided by the WTS for active and in good standing JWs to do their personal reasearch. It has mostly current documents. The difference between 1999 and 2001 is any publication that came out in 2000/2001 is updated as well as a few 'older' publications added (as well as some features).
Like I fool, I kept wondering why they didn't put the older older older publications that weren't readily available on it...and why they wouldn't be a priority for them because with so many new ones in the organization they surely wouldn't have access to those 'precious spiritual truths.' DOH!
In any event, Terry and Ohiocowboy asked for the 2001 and the 1999 one is still up for grabs.
Terry and Ohio, I'll pm you for details.
if this post is not appropriate for this forum, the mods can remove it.. i have cd copies of the wt library 1999 (qty: 1), and burned copies of the wt library 2001 (qty: 2).
i have no interest in them.
i doubt most people here do either.
okay, which one(s)?
if this post is not appropriate for this forum, the mods can remove it.. i have cd copies of the wt library 1999 (qty: 1), and burned copies of the wt library 2001 (qty: 2).
i have no interest in them.
i doubt most people here do either.
If this post is not appropriate for this forum, the mods can remove it.
I have CD copies of the WT library 1999 (qty: 1), and burned copies of the WT library 2001 (qty: 2). I have no interest in them. I doubt most people here do either.
However, that being said, someone may want to use them in their own personal research, or for picking apart the WT doctrine etc, or proving that they change things from print to cd medium. Or for those who use the texts to prove/disprove things, they may find it useful to have it online and easily accessible/transportable to a word processing software.
If you're interested, I'm NOT selling these. I will GIVE them to whoever asks first...and if no one asks, circular file it is!
Depending on where you are, we can negotiate shipping (I have a wedding soon, saving up!) hehe
project gutenberg makes available online and for free some major books whose copyrights have expired.
for some reason rutherford's "harp of god" (1921) was considered worthwhile enough to be added to the collection.
oh well, here is the link: .
Sounds like about along the same speed as all the other "conclusive" things the WTS has managed to delude teach its members with through the decades...
Although, with the Judge's reputation maybe he meant "100 proof" instead of "conclusive proof"
i've never experienced insomnia before in my life.
lately i've been waking up around three or four in the morning and staying awake for several hours before going back to sleep shortly before my alarm goes off.. this is driving me nuts!
i normally wake up feeling refreshed, but now i'm dragging myself out of bed and going through the day feeling sleepy.
I've been an insomniac since I was a kid. Here's what I do:
* make sure that your bedroom is a place where you are feeling relaxed. did you change anything in it? change a routine in it?
* milk, cold or warm before bed (quantity depends on your bladder...it sucks to be dragged out of a sleep for a pee break!)
* I have taken "Sleepeeze," an OTC (non-addicting) nightly...works like a dream
* if you wake up and your mind is going going going and you can't stop it, California Poppy (herb) is fabulous. My honey just bought us both a bottle of an herbal pill called "Deep Sleep" which has the Cali Poppy, valerian, and a few other goodies. We're both finding it's working better than anything either of us has used...especially me, with the mind thing (that's what keeps me up half the time, too much thinking). Health food store! There's also a natural remedy called 5HTP which is supposed to work like Tryptophan (the ingredient in milk that makes you sleepy)
* the cheese/wine/alcohol is fine if you aren't prone to headaches (I am). Alcohol in general disrupts your REM sleep so you may not feel quite as rested...I think it depends on quantities again.
That's about all I can think of...hope something helps. Oh yeah, it's quite common during a season transition for sleep patterns to go wonky. Sometimes it helps to know that...it's not just you!
