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10I need an ISO image of the 2004 WT CD
by nicolaou ini had been sent a copy some months back but the file seems corrupted.
if anyone here would be kind enough to share a download link or is willing to ftp to my private, anonymous webspace that would be great!
pm me with questions or offers.. nic'
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A Pivotal Date: March 20
by ezekiel3 ini am just giggling myself inside out with the stupid antics regarding the march 20 release of the new org book.. of course, in great irony, only the apostates seem to know what's going on.. meanwhile in the congregations, a excitment tinged with mystery and suspense is tweaking the r&f.
my entire book study was just about begging the conductor for any hint.. to emphasize the surprise, congregations that meet on saturday (march 19) are actually moving their public/wt meetings to sunday just for the event.
just imagine the drool letdown when they find out the truth, that old br.
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Yeah, it has been pointed to me that that is the cover in Spanish. Organized to Do Jehovah's Will. And this time they didn't even try to sound different - same color, same format (hardback).
It's indeed amusing that XJWs are ahead on the release of this new book.
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A Pivotal Date: March 20
by ezekiel3 ini am just giggling myself inside out with the stupid antics regarding the march 20 release of the new org book.. of course, in great irony, only the apostates seem to know what's going on.. meanwhile in the congregations, a excitment tinged with mystery and suspense is tweaking the r&f.
my entire book study was just about begging the conductor for any hint.. to emphasize the surprise, congregations that meet on saturday (march 19) are actually moving their public/wt meetings to sunday just for the event.
just imagine the drool letdown when they find out the truth, that old br.
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Neo
I am incredibly happy that I don't have to pretend to be overjoyed to receive a small, probably green, book on organizational procedure.
SNG
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Jesus last statements
by nowuask ini was thinking what were jesus last seven statements, & what were there meanings?
it would be after his cruification & before his official death.
any thoughts?
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Neo
Only by a harmonising reading do we find seven statements.
Exactly. That's why I asked myself the above question about deliberation. Have you ever thought if an editor, being familiar with the pervasiveness of the number seven in Jewish/Christian literature (including not-as-explicit sevenfold counts; e.g., the seven blessings in Revelation) arranged them so that they would add up to seven, because of its literary and religious appeal? (say, for example, the Lk 23:34 addition)
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Jesus last statements
by nowuask ini was thinking what were jesus last seven statements, & what were there meanings?
it would be after his cruification & before his official death.
any thoughts?
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These were his seven last sayings according to the Gospels, in canonical sequence:
(1) ?Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?? (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34).
(2) ?Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.? (Luke 23:34).
(3) ?And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise? (Luke 23:43).
(4) ?Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit? (Luke 23:46).
(5) ?When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home? (John 19:26-27).
(6) ?I thirst? (John 19:28).
(7) ?When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, ?It is finished!? and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost? (John 19:30).
They are arranged in the typical 4+3 division of seven: 4 in the Synoptics and 3 in John. Was it a deliberate choice so that they'd all add up to seven, the Bible's premier number?
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What Caution Would You Recommend To New Posters On These Boards?
by minimus inthere's a lot of new ones here and they might not be familiar with the fact that not everyone is truthful or necessarily looking out for your best interests.....is there any thing a "newbie" or for that matter any of us should keep in mind while on the internet?
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I'm one of the good guys.
Java - this is true.I remember you from some 5 years ago when the board was more like a coffee shop. You have always posted sensible and thoughtful comments and sometimes get overlooked for this reason. (...) I stay around because of people like you.
JAVA has made it to JEDI!!
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What Caution Would You Recommend To New Posters On These Boards?
by minimus inthere's a lot of new ones here and they might not be familiar with the fact that not everyone is truthful or necessarily looking out for your best interests.....is there any thing a "newbie" or for that matter any of us should keep in mind while on the internet?
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Neo
LOL!!
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Legal loophole for those baptized as minors
by Spook in.
if you were baptized as a minor, i'm told there is a legal recourse to refuse the action of a judicial commitee.
any info on this?
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Invitation: Chicago Area Post Disassociation Letter Party. Open Invite!!!
by Spook inhey folks,.
i have my da letters all lined up.
i want to have a party in chicago in april.
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A 1914 generation question
by Pwned ini was around in 1995, barely, but i dont remember any talks or articles where the new light about the generation of 1914. did they change w/o coming right out and saying so,or was there a talk.
especially in regards to the mission statement or whatever in the awake, did they make an announcement or did they just hope no one would notice?
i just cant believe that there wasnt a mass exodus after that, my family never mentioned the change to me, i didnt even know til years later on this site.
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Neo
Jehovah's Witnesses Decide the End is Fluid
Newsweek/December 18, 1995
By Kenneth L. WoodwardThe Third Millennium is just four years away, and you'd think that Jehovah's Witnesses would be ecstatic. Ever since the movement's inception in the 1870's, the Witnesses have insisted that the world as we know it is about to end. According to their unique Biblical calculations, the countdown to Armaggedon commenced in 1914 - the first world war was a major sign - and Christ would establish his millennial kingdom on earth "before the generation who saw the events of 1914 passes away." For countless Witnesses, this prediction was good reason not to save money, start a career or make burial plans. As one of their leaders famously preached in 1918: "Millions now living will never die."
Now, it seems, all millennial bets are off. In last month's issue of the Watchtower, the sect's leaders quietly acknowledged that Jesus was right in the first place, when he said that "no one knows the day or the hour." All previous references to timetables for Armageddon, the magazine now suggests, were speculation rather than settled doctrine. The year 1914 still marks the beginning of the last days. But those who hoped to witness the battle of Armageddon and the establishment of God's kingdom on earth will have go wait. Henceforth, any generation that experiences such calamities as war and plagues like AIDS could be the one to witness the end times. In short, the increasingly middle-class Witnesses would do well to buy life insurance.
If this serious revision of expectations takes the edge off the Witnesses apocalyptic profile, it also buys them time. The generation that was alive in 1914 is rapidly disappearing, and the sect's current leadership shows every sign of digging in for the long haul. In recent years the Witnesses have been on a building spree: they just completed a 670-acre educational center in rural New York state that includes 624 apartments, garages for up to 800 cars and a dining facility that accommodated 1,600 people at one sitting. Officials of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (the Witnesses' official title) deny that the leadership felt a generational pressure to change. "The end is still close," says Witnesses spokesman Bob Pevy. "We just can't put numbers on Jesus' words."
So far, the new interpretation has caused no noticeable decline in membership among the 5.1 million Witnesses worldwide. But then, they rarely air their differences with outsiders. "Believing the end was imminent gave a special urgency to being a Jehovah's Witness," says Ray Franz, a former member of the society's governing board in Brooklyn, N.Y., who left the church in 1981 Older members especially, heroically risked their lives and reputations by refusing blood transfusions, military service, allegiance to the flag and other acts prohibited by their faith - all with the expectation that they would soon live forever in the paradise of God's new kingdom on earth. Charles Kris, 73, a retired autoworker from Saginaw, Mich., served three years in prison with 400 other Witnesses for refusing to fight in World War II. "It was prison life, but I took advantage of the time to study the Bible and witness to other prisoners," he recalls. But for Kris and especially for those younger Witnesses who have no memory of the rough early days (the Nazis interred many Witnesses in concentration camps), preaching God's message is more important than witnessing the end of the world. "I'd like to live to see it happen," says Kris, who still hands out tracts door to door. "But if it doesn't in my lifetime, I won't be disappointed."
