When does this idea of impending Armageddon get introduced to people who study with them? Is that part of the "meat" doctrine?
poppers
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My Walmart encounter with the dubs today
by poppers inyup, there were 3 of them camped out in front of the store with their display of materials - first time i've seen them there.
he said he converted 5 years ago from the presbyterians, and that he had learned more in 1 year with the jws than all his time with the presbyterians (the usual stuff, jesus died on a stake, paradise earth, etc).
he claimed he didn't know about the invisible return of jesus, he was dismissive of the impact of disfellowshipping and that people can leave with little consequence, he claimed that the romans didn't use a cross until 200 years after jesus died on the stake.
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My Walmart encounter with the dubs today
by poppers inyup, there were 3 of them camped out in front of the store with their display of materials - first time i've seen them there.
he said he converted 5 years ago from the presbyterians, and that he had learned more in 1 year with the jws than all his time with the presbyterians (the usual stuff, jesus died on a stake, paradise earth, etc).
he claimed he didn't know about the invisible return of jesus, he was dismissive of the impact of disfellowshipping and that people can leave with little consequence, he claimed that the romans didn't use a cross until 200 years after jesus died on the stake.
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poppers
Yup, there were 3 of them camped out in front of the store with their display of materials - first time I've seen them there. When I came out of the store later only one guy in his 50s was still there so I asked some questions in a friendly way. He said he converted 5 years ago from the Presbyterians, and that he had learned more in 1 year with the JWs than all his time with the Presbyterians (the usual stuff, Jesus died on a stake, paradise Earth, etc). Yet, when I asked about some things about the teachings of the JWs he was pretty unsure of himself and said he'd have to look into them.
He claimed he didn't know about the invisible return of Jesus, he was dismissive of the impact of disfellowshipping and that people can leave with little consequence, he claimed that the Romans didn't use a cross until 200 years after Jesus died on the stake. I didn't press any issues just to keep him talking and see what things he would equivocate on. The one thing that really stunned me was when I said, "Aren't you the guys that teach about Armageddon coming?" He said no, that he hadn't heard anything about that before, and I pressed him on it a little. Then he said he "wasn't sure", that he's still pretty new in the religion so he needs to study more (after 5 years he was unsure of that particular teaching? Sheesh!).
Later, when the other 2 returned, a middle aged women and an attractive female in her early 20s, I brought up the Armegeddon thing again and the woman explained it a bit. Then I said that the other guy just told me that the JWs didn't teach about it. He looked very uncomfortable when I said that and he denied even doing so. I challenged that statement by saying, "But you just told me that you don't have that teaching."
"Well, I wasn't sure," he said sheepishly. When I first brought it up to him I felt he simply didn't want to make the JWs look too weird to an unsuspecting and possible "recruit". The excuse that he was still learning about the JWs felt pretty flimsy to me. Isn't Armageddon a core teaching that comes pretty early when you study with them? I couldn't believe that he'd outright deny the teaching, and then I was flabbergasted that he denied even making that statement to the others.
I think he's got some 'spaining to do to the others.
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poppers
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Brian L. Weiss
by Partisan ini recently reconnected with an old ex-jw friend who served as an elder when i was growing up.
he has since taken to the belief in reincarnation & past lives.
he lent me a copy of the many lives, many masters by brian l. weiss, m.d.
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poppers
I've heard of Weiss and have seen the book. It's nothing I haven't come across before - it's interesting stuff. I wouldn't put much stock in this being tantamount to Scientology teachings. You might want to read Journey of Souls, by Michael Newton to further explore the idea of souls and what they do between lives.
From Amazon:
Journey of Souls is a controversial yet inspiring investigation of the big question we all face at one point or another: "What happens after we die?" To find the answer, Newton opens cases from his private practice in which he hypnotically regressed his clients to a point between lives--after death, but before birth. Not only does Newton grapple with reincarnation, the spirit world, and the nature of the human soul, he also tackles equally sticky questions such as "Is there a Heaven and Hell?" and "What are ghosts?" Readers with a penchant for skepticism will balk at the lack of physical evidence to back up the claims in Journey of Souls, but the book remains a reassuring voice, affirming that our existence is not limited to the boundaries of our mortal flesh. --Brian Patterson
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ever had an out-of-body experience?
by poppers inonce in a while, usually in the morning shortly after waking up, i find my "body" lifting up from my physical body, but i remain attached at the head.
it's a very pleasant experience but i wish i could totally separate from the physical body so i could go exploring.
this happened this morning again.. .
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poppers
My limited experiences have always been spontaneous, without any intent to bring them about. It seems the key is becoming lucid during the dream state or remaining mentally awake while the body falls asleep. I've heard of each of these exit methods before and have tried to bring them about, but have never been successful at achieving either. What are your methods for doing each of these?
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ever had an out-of-body experience?
by poppers inonce in a while, usually in the morning shortly after waking up, i find my "body" lifting up from my physical body, but i remain attached at the head.
it's a very pleasant experience but i wish i could totally separate from the physical body so i could go exploring.
this happened this morning again.. .
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poppers
Well, this is a first for me - someone resurrecting one of my posts. Tell us more, Mr Fool.
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What happened to my formatting tools?
by scotoma indid i do something somewhere that took away all my formatting tools?
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poppers
I've got formatting tools in Safari that I never had before. Simon has been making some changes. I'm using an iMac.
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can anyone decipher cora's comment on the aawa video?
by friendaroonie ini have asked several people what she says as th e second person to talk in th e v ery first aawa video.
it sounds to me like "they tear off armours from us.
" or they tear of arms for us.
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poppers
Does that mean they weren't the wild beast prior to the change in the baptismal vows?Poppers,
Just the JW's.
They are the only ones compelled to make a vow to; "God's Spirit Directed Organization", the name of the wild beast.
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can anyone decipher cora's comment on the aawa video?
by friendaroonie ini have asked several people what she says as th e second person to talk in th e v ery first aawa video.
it sounds to me like "they tear off armours from us.
" or they tear of arms for us.
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poppers
So, ablebodiedman, does that mean that anyone who is baptised in a similar manner also has the mark of the beast, or just the JWs? I'm sure they aren't the only ones who are baptised in that way.
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can anyone decipher cora's comment on the aawa video?
by friendaroonie ini have asked several people what she says as th e second person to talk in th e v ery first aawa video.
it sounds to me like "they tear off armours from us.
" or they tear of arms for us.
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