Cheers Mr. Kairos! I know you never expected to be here, like I never expected to be DAed last week. What a long, strange journey it has been. But let me tell you that there was a sense of freedom and peace that came over us last week and continues today. Many hang their heads when they get out, but hold your head erect, for your deliverance is here. You're done my man. Don't look back. Keep running toward freedom. It is a strange place, but it is also beautiful if you do it well.
dubstepped
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Reflecting on my Disfellowshipping
by kairos intoday is the day.. i was baptized as one of jehovah's witnesses on march 25th 1989.disfellowshipped for admitted apostasy today, september 10th 2015.. what an amazing story we all share.
how did we get involved with this group and think this was the best way of life?.
i asked my wife to stay home from the meeting tonight and spend the evening with me.she is.... we celebrated our 19th wedding anniversary this past monday.. i must admit, i never saw any of this coming, but it couldn't have come sooner.i'm free of all the fake friendships.
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Where my cleaners at?
by dubstepped ini was just wondering who else on here cleans for a living.
we all know the dubs' penchant for cleaning, so i was wondering if my wife and i were the lone cleaners on here.
we've cleaned together for 15+ years now.
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I was just wondering who else on here cleans for a living. We all know the dubs' penchant for cleaning, so I was wondering if my wife and I were the lone cleaners on here. We've cleaned together for 15+ years now. Everything from rentals to houses, from detailing cars to washing windows, with carpet cleaning and even some painting in there as well. We've also cleaned offices, a library, car dealerships, and banks. We now focus on house cleaning and have for years, with carpet cleaning and on rare occasions we'll detail a car for a cleaning client. No employees here, even though we've got a huge waiting list for our house cleaning services. Employees are just a hassle that we don't want to deal with, and honestly we love our clients and they are our friends and our family now that we've DA'ed.
I gave up college and other entrepreneurial opportunities when I graduated high school to pioneer, as we all know for good dubs wanting to please that's what you do. I honestly don't regret the path my life has taken though. It could have been more lucrative for sure. However, my wife and I have an amazing relationship and we get to work together every day. Additionally, I get to listen to podcasts and books every day while I work, and it was those audio programs that helped broaden my perspective and eventually wake me up. I listened to books on codependence, emotional abuse, narcissism, ADHD, finance, business, and so much more. I listened to podcasts on psychology, mental illness, money, great true stories, and more. Those things exposed me to so much that helped me round out as a person instead of just having a life revolving around the narrow perspective of the JW religion. I also got to observe families that we work for and to see that they in no way reflected the bigoted view given to me from the religion that I grew up with, and the same for my wife. I have a great life now, and am soooooooo at peace since our DA'ing was announced last Wednesday, just one week ago.
So, how about you? Any other cleaners here? What type of cleaning do you do? Has it served you other than simply being a job in ways?
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Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation
by Splash inat around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".
this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.
obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.
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Am I totally wrong, or to be in someone's generation don't you have to be born around roughly the same time? It isn't just about living at some point in the duration of a person's life, but about having life spans that start around the same time, much like my parents and I (and my siblings) are different generations of a family. Even the scripture they used at Exodus 1:6 to define generation talked about Joseph's brothers as that generation and then used a vague term thereafter. But specifically it talked about a generation in context of siblings, who for all intents and purposes would be born in roughly the same stretch of childbearing time and constitute a generation. -
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Done.....done done done....
by dubstepped inmy wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.
we....are...free!.
i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.
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I just wanted to say a quick "Thanks!" to all of my friends here before I head off to bed. Hopefully our first night free is one of sound sleep. My wife has had some battles with insomnia throughout this process because of dreams from the stress of the process. But it is so worth it already. We have a new life brewing and it already tastes so much better than the one we left behind. Your words mean a lot to both of us. I may post here, but I show lots of things to my wife and it made us both feel less alone through the process of awakening and eventually DA'ing.
@never a jw - I hope I can take you up on that offer someday. Unfortunately we live in Indiana, not sunny California. We've got time now to follow our own dreams, one of which is going out west. We've never been farther west than St. Louis, lol. That's not very far west.
And let me give a shout out to all of those on here that can't DA because they have a spouse or someone that they're close to in that prevents it. You folks have my utmost respect. We did lose family in this process and it was painful and will continue to be. But my wife and I happened to wake up together and escape together. I wish that for everyone else fighting for family. May you someday be able to escape with that person or those people. I sincerely wish that for you. There's no magic formula, just time and/or timing. Keep up the good fight.
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interesting stuff re the RC in my local area
by umbertoecho ini was sent a list of places i could contact in my part of wa.
i was cautious.
i always ask if they are jws.
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Oh wow, just learning what WA stood for and RC puts an entirely different perspective on it, lol. You have to realize that we Americans don't recognize that others don't revolve around our US centric lingo and abbreviations. What are these places that you're contacting? What is their purpose? Why might the person you're phoning be a JW if they're involved with this Royal Commission thing that you're a part of? I'm missing some details, but I understand much more now that baltar above filled in some misunderstandings on the RC and WA abbreviations.
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Done.....done done done....
by dubstepped inmy wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.
we....are...free!.
i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.
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umbertoecho: Oh, could you please keep thanking away to the society...........it was so entertaining for me and (I'm sure) the rest of us....You were on a role, go back to it...so droll.
Ask and ye shall receive:
I'd like to thank the organization for blaming the victim on things like 1975, and for changing doctrines under the label of "new light" instead of "we were wrong". Humility is an attractive quality. Thanks for keeping that quality under wraps.
I'm so thankful that the Society decided to pursue and kick out one Ray Franz. Had you not done that, kind sirs, he would likely never have penned Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom, two books that now mean so much to me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Had you left him alone, he may have just died in relative silence.
I'd like to thank the congregation that I grew up in for abiding by the Society's "performance based" guidelines for appointing people in the congregation and then making my dad an elder. Oh how those rousing family talks touched my heart knowing that what he said and what he did were two completely opposite things. It allowed me to see that what is presented may not be true at all from the stage.
On that note, thank you circuit overseers for having both myself and my wife on Circuit Assemblies back in the day and allowing us to give our experiences. Well, not entirely our experiences, as you made it clear that neither of ours really measured up to the level that you wanted, so thank you for helping us embellish our goals for the future or experiences so that they were even more rousing, and yes, kind of fake. It helped us to see that most of what the people said up there was bulls%!t.
Thanks to a few congregations for giving me responsibilities or appointments over the years. Each time let me see a little bit more what goes on behind the curtain, and how it isn't what it was supposed to be. Things were so disorganized and a mess.
I'd like to thank the organization for painting everyone outside of the Witnesses as meth smoking, gun toting, STD ridden whores that lived to gamble and steal from everyone around them. It really helped us to see as we worked with "worldly" families that they were nothing like you projected them to be. That helped me to see that we had been lied to.
Thank you SO MUCH for GBTV. Putting the members of the governing body in the limelight was enlightening. Holy crap, those guys with strange personalities are the leaders of this?! Whoa!
Thank you also for Tony Morris. I mean, his loving words of counsel were so well thought out. I would have thought that having millions of eyeballs would have been the time to address petty things like how some feel left out in the congregation, or that pesky blood doctrine that is neither here nor there, or maybe how to help other people, but no, tight pants and bright socks it is. Those pressing issues were indeed something troubling. We can't let the gays win.
WTBTS, thank you for just being you.
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Done.....done done done....
by dubstepped inmy wife and i just found out that our disassociation was announced last night.
we....are...free!.
i'd like to take a moment to thank some people:.
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DONE!!!!!!
My wife and I just found out that our disassociation was announced last night. We....are...FREE!
I'd like to take a moment to thank some people:
Thanks to this community for helping me figure things out and supporting one another in this awful journey to freedom.
I'd like to thank all of the brothers and sisters in our congregation. If you had shown the love you lay claim to showing we may never have woken up.
I'd like to thank all of the elders over the years that ignored us unless they needed us for something. Your lack of support was priceless.
I'd like to thank the organization for contradicting itself enough and making ridiculous hyperbolic assertions that I simply couldn't ignore no matter how much cognitive dissonance I experienced.
I'd like to thank both of our families for totally abandoning us when we talked to my DFed brother. Your insta-shun really helped solidify that the organization not only has no love, but also robs one of even basic familial love the split second someone steps out of line as you see it.
I'd like to thank the people that pressured me to pioneer instead of going to college. That awful year made me question the validity of your suggestions as to how my life should go.
Thanks to the congregation that I grew up in that was so over the top hyper-zealous that it nitpicked all young ones until they left the hall, and eventually the organization as a whole.
Really, I could go on forever but I'll stop. We are free of all of you in the Borg and our resistance didn't prove futile. Thanks to those that actually supported us. I look forward to telling even more of our story here and maybe even posting pics of us. No need to hide ever again!
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Exposing one's identity. When?
by kairos ini've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.
( "reaching out", so to speak ).
i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.
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dubstepped
Hey Kairos,
I'm so sorry that it all goes down like this. It just isn't a fun outcome and they just make it to where there really isn't one because you just want to go live your life and they won't let you without taking others with them. It sucks. However, I'm glad to see that you're just letting it go. Getting wrapped up in trying to sue them or anything isn't likely to serve your interests. Spend your time on your wife and new life. Trying to sue or something like that is just going to take time and lots of money and they have deeper pockets than you.
You'll probably go through ups and downs for some time even after this. I know that my wife and I have good days and bad, though honestly it is more the loss of family than anything that bothers us. We both wish you well on your journey and are eagerly awaiting our announcement soon.
By the way, tonight while on a job the family talked to us about the whole J-dub stuff at length and where we stood. It was amazing to talk to people who didn't judge, just listened, and tried to be supportive. There are amazing relationships to be formed out their in the evil world with people that frankly treated us better in one conversation than the organization did in the many relationships that we thought we had. So, keep your head up. Don't worry about waking others up as much as you do enjoying your freedom, if you can, and learn to enjoy the beauty of life around you that you've likely ignored for most of your life like many of us.
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Independent article: Spiritual abuse
by Tornintwo ini've been reading about different types of emotional abuse to help me define and cope with my difficult marriage, came across this article : 7 ways a person can be abused, by a psychologist.
http://pro.psychcentral.com/exhausted-woman/2015/08/7-ways-a-person-can-be-abused/.
includes forms of 'spiritual abuse' - these sound familiar?.
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@Oubliette - .....Oooh, oooh, it's a cult!
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Exposing one's identity. When?
by kairos ini've been toying with the idea of just coming out and posting my name and location as an attempt to be available to locals that secretly browse the forum that have known me for up to 25 years.
( "reaching out", so to speak ).
i'm not da'd or df'd, so this most certainly could end in a dramatic confrontation.
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So Kairos, is that the end? I guess they wait until after 7 days passes and then announce? I'm hoping our DA is announced this Wednesday but who knows. They haven't been in a hurry to date.
Take care. Sorry it has to come down to such things for both of us, in a way, but looking forward to the freedom.