You're showing that they have power over you merely by wanting to go back just to stick it to them. They're in your head and that's what they want. Apathy is the opposite of love, not hate.
dubstepped
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by Disassociated Lady 2 ini have recently been disfellowshipped (after being reinstated in march).
i saw a group of jws gathered in the town car park yesterday.
they seemed startled when they recognised my car and talked amongst themselves giving one another a satisfied grin!
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Why Do People Become Jehovah's Witnesses?
by minimus inbesides being raised in the religion , why do people become jws?
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dubstepped
People are brought up looking to the Bible for guidance in a Christian faith. They have questions and want answers. Dubs have an answer for everything, even if it's just a cop out. Doesn't make it the right answer, but they're a one stop shop for answers.
People also like the seven steps to a flatter belly and other such step by step processes. Dubs have one of things to do for everlasting life.
People have trauma in their lives and want something stable. A black and white organization fits the bill.
People are black and white thinkers anyway and gravitate to such a performance based, right and wrong religion because it fits their personality.
People love to be right. Having "the truth" is great for one's ego.
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An Un-Shun Day
by Heartsafire ini was thinking about how many of us here are either being shunned or know someone who is being shunned.
although highly unlikely, it would be wonderful if this horrible practice was completely eliminated.. i know we have the wt victims memorial day in the summer, but does anyone know of any grassroots sort of movement to have a jw break the silence day on shunning?
we could encourage and promote for all jw's who have a df'd friend or family member to contact that person on that day--maybe even with the excuse that they need to check on them.. i know that it won't demolish the shunning policy, but at least a day like this could shed some light on the harmful practice to those outside the jw community as well as providing an unofficial designated day for jws to reach out to those they're shunning.
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dubstepped
So then, you would have to find a realistic mass movement and the media would have to care, two huge mountains to climb. There are tons of shunning stories out there. The media knows, but the story doesn't move the needle. Other groups shun too, and the general populace doesn't care. You would have to maufacture something that made people care, which is a difficult task.
Any movement has to begin and end with us. You can't control others, so we can't make JWs do something or the media. I've thought that a good idea would be if all shunned people showed up at one day of a convention with shirts that say "shunned" or something and sat in the crowd. Make them all face the uncomfortable reality of what they do to us all. A peaceful protest of sorts. It would be tough to get the very fragmented group of ex-jws together to do this though. The media wouldn't care, but those in would have to face what they hoped to leave behind, us.
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An Un-Shun Day
by Heartsafire ini was thinking about how many of us here are either being shunned or know someone who is being shunned.
although highly unlikely, it would be wonderful if this horrible practice was completely eliminated.. i know we have the wt victims memorial day in the summer, but does anyone know of any grassroots sort of movement to have a jw break the silence day on shunning?
we could encourage and promote for all jw's who have a df'd friend or family member to contact that person on that day--maybe even with the excuse that they need to check on them.. i know that it won't demolish the shunning policy, but at least a day like this could shed some light on the harmful practice to those outside the jw community as well as providing an unofficial designated day for jws to reach out to those they're shunning.
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dubstepped
How in the world would you get all if these JWs to listen to you and directly disobey the GB? Maybe I'm missing something. If we're dreaming up impossible ideas we might as well jump to abolishing shunning altogether. It sounds nice, but totally unrealistic.
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Why is it so hurtful to be shunned? Why object to it?
by stuckinarut2 init seems like many feel hurt or saddened by the practice of shunning by witnesses.. yes, when ones who we were close to, perhaps family or ones we thought were close friends choose to follow the warped directions of the society, it may seem hurtful.. but really, our reaction is up to us.
the fact is, these ones have shown that in reality, their love for us was never real or genuine.
no, those relationships were superficial and lacking in substance.
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dubstepped
"Our reaction is up to us" reminds me of all of the times JWs told us to just ignore natural feelings. Eventually we can get to a better place, some quicker and/or farther than others, but ultimately to hurt is normal and we aren't purely logical creatures. Lots of women, for example, go back to abusive men because it's what they know and are comfortable with on some level. All types of abusive acts can become normalized outside of our control until we get tools to deal with them.
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Our secretly recorded disfellowshipping and 2 year anniversary since leaving on Watchtower Victims Memorial Day!!!
by Christian Gutierrez inhey guys it's been 2 years since leaving and this is how life has gone for us since then.
hope you guys have had a positive experience too!
cheers 😃.
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dubstepped
Haha, wow, I must have touched something that others see too. I reached out to them early on because they cleaned together just like my wife and I, and I believe there were other similarities. There was no acknowledgment, and I was just trying to be supportive. I chalked it up to them being busy or overlooking it or just not caring, all of which is fine. But they reached out to befriend me after posting on the ex-jw Facebook group and only wanted me to acknowledge them thereafter. Clearly others notice that they're all about themselves too. Too bad, as they had momentum and a platform. Oh well, I still wish them a happy life.
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dubstepped
I think he's referring to a case in San Diego where the Borg are being fined daily for not cooperating with the court. They redacted documents so heavily as to make them unusable. You can do a search from there and probably find out more. It's been discussed quite heavily on here.
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Lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency laparotomies on Jehovah’s Witness women
by OrphanCrow inthe wt has promoted bloodless surgery as a viable (and better) alternative to surgery with blood transfusions.. i have found a medical study that has been used to back up these "evidence based" claims.
the title of the article is lessons learned from the outcome of bloodless emergency.
these mostly indigent patients died of peritonitis becauseof delays in payment for antibiotics.
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dubstepped
I'm no scientist, but isn't that sample size way too small to be conclusive in any manner? Not to mention the astute observation as to the real cause of death.
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Today is my first "Shunniversary"
by dubstepped ini just wanted to thank this community for being there during my most difficult period of life.
even if it wasn't a direct interaction, i was reading, and i've taken away a lot over the past year plus.
on september 2 of last year the local congregation announced that my wife and i were no longer jehovah's witnesses because we chose to disassociate.
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dubstepped
Congratulations. I'm very happy to hear that your family are well and thriving outside of that cult. I love that you didn't (or they didn't either) use your father's passing to make you change your mind. JWs are known for using other people's unfortunate events to push their agenda.
Nobody ever tried to change my mind. Nobody ever tried to "save" us. Once my family found out that I was going to start talking to my DF'ed brother after over a decade of shunning him, they backed away from me. Once my wife's family found out, they called her an apostate instantly and never talked to her again, even though it would be another several months before we disassociated. Actually, I guess I should thank them. Their complete lack of demonstrable love showed us both that we had little to lose. During that summer my wife and I had wager on how many "Return To Jehovah" brochures we would get. I guessed two, and she guessed double digits (10+). We received zero, lol. Such a "loving" organization. It sure made leaving them all behind easier.
When my dad died nobody said a thing. I wasn't invited to the memorial, and although I did get to see my dad one last time for 30 minutes or so to say goodbye, all of the dubs that were there were offended by my presence and left before I was allowed in the room. F*&! them all, but at the same time, thanks! I know that I truly lost nothing but shells of human beings, monsters of sorts, and we're thriving in a world full of humans with their entire humanity intact.
I thought I was the only ex-JW who uses atheism and Thanksgiving in the same paragraph. Doesn't it feel great to do and believe whatever the eff you want?
Haha, it is such an amazing feeling. Why can't I be thankful without a specific deity involved, as you know. Gratitude is a natural and healthy part of life. My wife and I often do "happies" in the car on the way to work in the morning to start our day. We just take turns listing things that we're happy about, or looking forward to, about our day. Now, I have to admit that I was uncomfortable when a prayer was offered at one of the Thanksgivings that we went to, even though at that point I wasn't quite over God yet as it was just a couple months after my disassociation. Getting over God took a little longer for me.
We actually ran into someone we worked for years ago at a local restaurant and they invited us to eat with them. We sat down to eat and he asked me to say a prayer over the meal. THAT was awkward, lol, but I just summoned up my best JW rote prayer, minus the name Jehovah, and made it happen. I was taken aback by the request and caught off guard, but it worked out. Still, I wouldn't want to have to do it again. I would respectfully decline at this point.
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Today is my first "Shunniversary"
by dubstepped ini just wanted to thank this community for being there during my most difficult period of life.
even if it wasn't a direct interaction, i was reading, and i've taken away a lot over the past year plus.
on september 2 of last year the local congregation announced that my wife and i were no longer jehovah's witnesses because we chose to disassociate.
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dubstepped
You're asking the wrong person. I don't feel a need to worship anything. You might want to start your own topic asking that question. You don't have to have worship to have community. Click "New Topic" at the top and post a thread asking your question and maybe you'll find someone with answers. That's how it typically works on a forum. Rather than asking a question on a subject that isn't relevant to the post that is already there, it is best to start your own. Welcome to the forum.