I posted lots of facts there. You just can't handle them. You don't want to see them. You want to protect your organization that protects pedophiles. That's really sad. You know about the ARC. You've been here for 13 years so you've read people's experiences. Yet still you defend the organization and their right to protect pedophiles. You don't answer my questions, so I'm not going to research and pick out specifics. I'm still waiting to find out if you would take blood or not. You see, you like to pick apart things that fit you well, just like the organization that you worship. Sadly, you miss the big picture and all of the harm being done while you defend them, focusing only on technical minutia so that you can feel good about what you do, just like Jehovah's Witnesses, or to get all biblical, "straining out the gnat while gulping down the camel".
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman: No, it is because I disagree that wt environment is dangerous for children. And if you are saying that children are in danger of getting hurt in wt environment which is what I think that you are saying, I challenge you to prove it.
You are not that stupid. You absolutely can't be. 13 years in and you've never heard of the two witness rule, the discouraging of taking matters of sexual abuse to the proper authorities, a little thing called the Australian Royal Commission, or seen people's personal stories of going to the elders and being ignored? The Fessler case recently is just another example of someone that was abused and the victim was punished why the offender didn't receive punishment until the proper authorities stepped in because your child molester protecting friends in your organization did nothing but blame the victim. You make excuses while children are raped and their abusers run free in an organization that won't even comply with mandatory reporting laws.
Why do you make excuses for those that protect child molesters fisherman? Why do you care more about legal technicalities than children?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Where did I say anything about law? Why are you so fixated on that one aspect of the JWs? Is it because you can't defend their actions ethically or scripturally or in any other way but legally? I get it, they get off on legal technicalities. I will say though that they do break laws when they don't obey mandatory reporting laws and conveniently try to decide what side of the clergy argument they are on. They do break laws when it comes to service to countries that require that too and end up in jail. They also break laws like perjury when they engage in "theocratic warfare", or lying as normal humans call it, to further their own cause. That doesn't mean that they always get caught, but let's not act like Jehovah's Witnesses are above breaking laws, particularly when it stands to benefit them.
And again I say that you have been on here for 13 years and somehow still don't get it. That is sad. Why are you so happy to defend an organization that creates an environment where so many children get hurt. Why fisherman, why?
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The Danger of Settlements
by Tech49 ini was pondering the recent influx of lawsuits against wt, specifically in regards to the child abuse cases (ie.
conti, fessler, lopez, etc).. in each of these, wt has settled for an "undisclosed" amount, assumed to be in the millions of dollars each.
i know there are many many more cases, subject for a different thread i'm sure.. i was reading something completely unrelated a while back that mentioned the dangers of settlement agreements for a large corporation or business (not just wt).
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Fisherman: Why do you want to cripple wt?
Are you stupid or just being daft? You've been here for 13 years and you haven't figured that one out?
You think it is a good thing that JWs protect pedophiles, don't you. Why on earth wouldn't you want a cult that has people refuse blood and die and that has pedophiles protected by elders to continue to exist?
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Follow up: the baby did not survive
by Captain Schmideo2 init was always a long shot anyway.
but, after a week of emotional pain for the mom, and extreme physical pain for a helpless infant, the baby's body finally succumbed.. all those prayers from the parents, from family, from friends, were absolutely worthless.
that is a deity for ya!
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Who are you to decide when someone can have an opinion, how they can express grief, etc. in a way that hurts nobody?
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Follow up: the baby did not survive
by Captain Schmideo2 init was always a long shot anyway.
but, after a week of emotional pain for the mom, and extreme physical pain for a helpless infant, the baby's body finally succumbed.. all those prayers from the parents, from family, from friends, were absolutely worthless.
that is a deity for ya!
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Maybe it's his way of processing the pain. It's not like he's pointing in the people's face, he's speaking anonymously about a situation that was sad and then even sadder due to the religious layer.
What your wife wanted to do was definitely a dick move, imho. She was taking it to them, while the OP laments the ridiculousness to those who will understand, apparently you notwithstanding.
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The Rainbow Promise
by Funchback inone day, the biblical god decided all humanity, less 8 individuals and some animals, should die via mass drowning, including infants, children and physically and mentally disabled people.. he expected rational people to listen to a seemingly oddball old man and enter a giant box filled with wild animals.
"god told me to warn you.
enter this thing and you will live".
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Lol, well said! If only an omniscient god could have seen that the gay community would later take his rainbow as their own. How pissed off would he be.
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New letter forces elders to finally show love to sinners
by poopie inthat desire not to be shunned whether or not they want to be jw again is not the point for some they just do not want to be shunned any more there are sick of being shunned it's disgusting.
no human should be treated like they do not exist it's eviil..
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No, no it's not.
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Any atheists here? Have you come to terms with your new reality?
by kpop inalone, without my safety net of "god" being there to remember me when i die.
after much consideration, examining science, history and using logic, i have come to the conclusion that there is no "god" at least certainly no loving, personal "god.
" shortly before my final conclusion was reached, i read an excerpt from an expression attributed to marcus aurelius, .
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I think that now I just try to control the controllables. Live a good life, do no harm, help others, etc. I'm not afraid of death, as I've been there once already, before birth.
With that said, I personally do have a struggle with loss. The interesting thing is that I struggled for my first 38 years of life or so with suicidal ideation as a JW. If I died, that might have been a relief. But now I have a life that I'm in love with, and just like the thought of losing my wife, the thought of losing my life does kind of always loom and makes me sad to think about. It's the beauty and curse of having something great in an impermanent world. I do struggle with unwanted thoughts due to that though.
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Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church
by cofty inthe following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.
i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.
if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.
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Damn, the things most don't notice while in. I'll save this in my folder of links to great points that destroy the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses just in case I need them. Stuff like this is gold to those that move on and don't really care about the bible anymore because I wouldn't do the research to compose something like this anymore. Nice work!