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  JW story - "husbands JW beliefs ruining the family" - on Dr. Phil today

  by ShirleyW in

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  "my husbands religious beliefs are ruining our family" is the topic.

  i"m not home when it airs on cbs in the afternoon so i watch a rerun on ch 55 here in nyc at 8pm.

  i have my cable box all set to switch over at the appropriate time..

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  Whew, just watched that and the lady needs to quit being so defensive. I think she may be for a few reasons. First, she said something to those elders about her husband or they wouldn't have called CPS. She acts like she doesn't know what was said. Come on. There will be repercussions maritally though, so she's trying to plead ignorance. Second, she's lived a life that was unfair to her already as a JW. Third, she is the bad guy for leaving the JWs and went through that unfair process. So I get her anger, but like he said, she needs to be less combative.

  Ultimately I thought it was a great anti-witness. There were numerous and legitimate shots at JWs. I thought Dr. Phil handled it all quite well. He even went so far as to have an ex-JW counselor from Free Minds offer help and an ex-JW person chime in at the very end. So he no doubt knows what a cult it is. I thought the husband looked pissed off after those two ex-dubs were brought in, lol.

  All in all, a good show. I feel for the kids caught up in this mess.
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  JW story - "husbands JW beliefs ruining the family" - on Dr. Phil today

  by ShirleyW in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  "my husbands religious beliefs are ruining our family" is the topic.

  i"m not home when it airs on cbs in the afternoon so i watch a rerun on ch 55 here in nyc at 8pm.

  i have my cable box all set to switch over at the appropriate time..

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  dubstepped

  @Londo - He'd fit in well here at times.
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  I am getting disfellowshipped

  by CitizenofEarth in

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  maybe some of you remember me, maybe not.

  for general information i am now 19 years old, and living by myself.

  for the past 1 year (more like 1.5 years) i have been quietly fading out of the hypocrisy of this organization, but since i still live in the town i grew up in it has been hard, and filled with different challenges.

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  I guess I'll be that one person that tells you it's your life and go if you want. Don't feel compelled to go for sure, and don't think you're going to beat them in a rigged game. However, if it makes you feel good to go, if you find closure in it, if you just feel like it is how you want to go out for any reason, it's your life. If I listened to others I wouldn't have disassociated and that was one of the best decisions of my life. Do you. Listen to everyone here but make your own decision. You're not in a cult anymore.
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  Do You Know Any “Gay” Jehovah’s Witnesses?

  by minimus in

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  of course the religion condemns homosexuality but did you know any gay witnesses?

  i knew some bethelites that were very effeminate and i remember 4 women who were suspected of being lesbians by many in the congregation.

  they eventually moved away and were very vocal against males, especially elders..

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  I certainly knew some to leave and then express their homosexuality. Good for them.

  I knew men that were effeminate but that doesn't mean they were necessarily gay, and I knew women that were man haters but that doesn't mean they were gay either.
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  Shoud individuals be held responsible for their INACTION?

  by nicolaou in

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  if you see someone about to be struck by a car or otherwise step into harms way but choose not to call out a warning or act in some way to prevent disaster, are you responsible for any harm caused?.

  what defence, if any, can be offered for choosing inaction?

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  A human's natural response is to fight, flee, or freeze. These are natural reactions, not moral ones. It's judgy humans that tend to moralize the natural. Inaction like freezing may still be an action, freezing. Humans don't always get to choose how they react, like a victim of sexual crime may freeze in the moment. It's a natural response but some moralize it, resulting in further shame for the victim.

  I think the error is in your original post when you use the word "choose". That is a moral judgment itself. At times we choose, at times we act in whatever way our natural overwhelmed reaction is. Ascribing choice makes it a question of morality, which may or may not be fair. We humans like to pretend we're in more control than we are. Likely a person may regret their inaction in the moment, but in the moment their natural systems took over their power of choice.
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  Catch up

  by Jrjw in

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  facebook is great for finding old friends.

  i found a friend who is an ex witness who i haven't seen for about 7 years coz she left the society and we lost touch and i got in contact with her the other day on facebook and she came for tea earlier and we had a great time talking about experiences of the wts and it's strange doctrines and remembering our school days.

  we chatted for about 5 hours and are going to keep in touch.

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  Oh yeah, I've probably got a dozen or more friends now that left back in the day. They were all glad to see me leave too. I've met many of them in person and have 3 that I'm trying to arrange to meet soon. Good times.
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  no...No...NOOO...JW's are not a cult!

  by FedUpJW in

  1. watchtower
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  just read this over on jw talk:.

  will we be willing to leave unbelieving mates and unresponsive kids behind when given direction on what to do???

  what about grandkids who fall under their parents who are not witnesses???

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  @Sliced - Take the most uneducated JWs, throw them in one place, add a touch of mental illness, a heaping helping of delusion, equal part unjustified arrogance, and you have the JW Talk forum.
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  "ah yes Dad, do you mean those times when Jehovah made those mistakes and errors?"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  so...while chatting with my ultra "spiritual elder" father on the phone this afternoon, i couldn't resist using that line!.

  i had sent him that video of the recent convention showing brothers and sisters dancing to the "kingdom song" and waving their illuminated phones and arms in the air like some sort of revival church concert.

  (perhaps someone can post that link to that thread again here?).

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  He might get mad now, but he can't un-hear that line of thinking. Good work!
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  Since leaving the JW Organization, who is believing?

  by Issa in

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  i left the jw organization last year during summer.

  maybe some of you can relate.

  who of you are agnostic or an atheist?

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  dubstepped

  My plan was to leave and become an independent Christian. Then I applied the same critical lens to the Bible as I had to Jehovah's Witnesses and realized it was just as flawed as the cult I just left. I am an atheist now, as is my wife. I certainly don't believe in any god from a so called sacred text. Could there be something more? Sure. But if there is and it wants anything from us then it isn't worthy based on it's lack of ability to communicate. I see no evidence. I would have to want the things around me to be evidence and that's an act of will, not an act of some god.
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

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  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  Wow, so much to take in here. Thanks again Cofty and others. I've got some books to make my way through with time. I do certainly have a better understanding now. I'm less frustrated. That book frustrated me because every time I thought I was close to learning something he'd go on a rant again about creationism, and some of the searches that I did on Google turned up either confusing information or put me in the middle of some concept. Being able to have my questions answered from the jumping off point that I got through that book helped a lot.

  I don't necessarily need or want to be an expert in the field but I want to have a working knowledge of the subject. For so long I thought I knew it all and knew nothing. Now I know very little but actually know something.