So much dub centric thinking in here. When I was a dub I thought as a dub, spoke as a dub, but you, you are not of these dubs, fly and be free and let the dubs deal with the consequences of their own dub actions.
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Advice on Disassociating
by HiddenPimo inhello my exjw/pimo/pomo friends,.
i am working on penning my da letter and wondered if i should use it as a tool to maybe wake up individuals as the boe will have to read it.. anyone have any advice on what i should say versus what i should leave out?
i am not going to fade as my family can either be loyal to blood or loyal to a man made religion.
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Advice on Disassociating
by HiddenPimo inhello my exjw/pimo/pomo friends,.
i am working on penning my da letter and wondered if i should use it as a tool to maybe wake up individuals as the boe will have to read it.. anyone have any advice on what i should say versus what i should leave out?
i am not going to fade as my family can either be loyal to blood or loyal to a man made religion.
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dubstepped
Disassociating is great, instant freedom. Go for it! Best decision my wife and I ever made. Don't listen to those that have to play JW games for years simply to keep toxic relationships, unless of course that's what you want.
As far as what to write, write whatever you want just don't have expectations. Just do the damn thing, get it over with, and be totally free. It's tough to put into words what it's like in the other side. Yeah, shunning isn't great, but it's not all bad either to be honest. It keeps the crazies away.
By the way, the line that you're just creating problems for your family and friends by disassociating is the same bullshit the cult says. They have problems because of their actions, not yours. Even if you disassociate the problem is of their doing, their choice, not yours. They shun you. Let's stop acting like no one has choice. And you know what, when people have problems is often when they wake up. Keeping them saved to avoid taking a stand might be what keeps them in.
The cult doesn't want you disassociating. If everyone did they'd have a huge problem.
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Need tips to make Youtube video -- software, hardware?
by FatFreek 2005 ini'm thinking of making a video.
i see there is an explosion of them recently by ex-jws which i believe is a good thing.. if you've done it, what easy-to-learn and use app did you use?
how much did it cost?
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dubstepped
Yeah, here it is. You just basically asked this three months ago. There's more detail there.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5178563864035328/want-create-few-youtube-videos-need-advice
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Need tips to make Youtube video -- software, hardware?
by FatFreek 2005 ini'm thinking of making a video.
i see there is an explosion of them recently by ex-jws which i believe is a good thing.. if you've done it, what easy-to-learn and use app did you use?
how much did it cost?
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dubstepped
You can use your phone, laptop webcam, etc. You don't need a fancy setup.
I use a camera like this (can't remember the exact model offhand) :
I don't use the auto focus because it keeps trying to focus and gets annoying. I just turn that off so I can gesture or move without it out-thinking itself.
I don't use the built in mic. I use a Samson Go Mic.
Both are plugged into my laptop.
The camera has its own recording software. It's dead simple to use. For editing, if I wish to which I almost never do, I use Camtasia. I think it can be pricey but I got it in a special charity sale bundled with other things at a ridiculously cheap price.
I don't care to research every detail for you as I feel like I've literally answered this same question on here, possibly even for you, but figure 70 for camera plus 50 for that mic to start. There's so many ways to do this. You don't likely have to spend much. Some people have super nice studios. It's not necessary unless you're trying to monetize and be super professional.
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Fading challenges
by Addison0998 inso the past few months since we’ve been married, we’ve hardly been going to the meetings.
and my mother says that an informer has been calling her to “tell on us” for not going to the meetings.
we’ve told some people that we have been attending meetings in a different area and hall since we are considering moving there.
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dubstepped
And people here decry disassociating as "playing their game", lol. You either play their games to fade out and do your best to keep up appearances or you disassociate into freedom and let them deal with the fallout of their own dubbiness. I'm sorry you're dealing with this but it's what usually happens. Sometimes people can fade with no issues if the people around them are cool but that's rare.
You can play their games and fade or just get it over with by disassociating and go live your life. It's all choices. Play their games and hope to fade successfully including moving and dealing with their bullshit when you have kids or make friends on the outside and then disassociate and let them deal with the mess they made. It's not super easy either way. You have to do you. What pain are you willing to endure to get what you want?
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Has anyone on here used this forum to announce they were out and revealed their real name?
by HiddenPimo injust wondering if anyone has ever posted their personal information and have proof that the borg is watching and sent the gestapo to get them?.
i will be announcing my resignation and da myself - and i am objectively looking at either doing it bud dwyer (not really like him but by extension) style at a meeting or an email blast or just giving a letter to the boe?.
any advice is appreciated.
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dubstepped
"Ranting and raving exjws", some of you sound just like them. The reality isn't that those that refuse to leave are necessarily cowards as I posted above for affect, just like the reality is that those that disassociate aren't the people you all make them out to be. If you don't have what it takes to disassociate that's cool, but why the labeling of those that do? The black and white thinking of those decrying disassociation is what I was parroting above.
By the way, you're not going to wake up people on your way out, nor will you by staying in. It can happen but doesn't often. People wake up because they're ready. You can be there for them, but you don't have to be passive in staying inside to do so.
The narratives of disassociation by those discouraging it are bullshit. The same people decrying it as "playing their game" are often her whining about the games they have to play by fading. Are there people that regret disassociating? Sure. But focusing on the few regrets over the majority that have no such regrets is ridiculous. The desire to paint people a certain way by projecting your own stuff is very human, but not productive. Disassociating was our way to stop playing the game, to end it and to remove that awful label and everything Jehovah's Witnesses stand for off of us. I would hate to be mistaken for one.
Disassociate or don't but don't ask others how to live your life. And if you can't be supportive of someone's decision, why discourage people?
In the black crab story when one tries to leave the bucket they've been collected in the others pull it back down. Why? Because if that one has what it takes to leave why can't they? So they discourage it from doing something they aren't ready for. A lot of people sound like they're still in the bucket.
If you want to stay in the bucket, by all means do so. But don't mislabel and miscategorize those that get out just because you chose a different path.
There are pros and cons to various paths. Weigh them for yourself. I have respect for people that leave in any capacity but I have little respect for those that use their path as a way to put down or discourage others. My post above was trying to reflect the others here. It's easy to label others who make decisions different to yours. It's harder to respect everyone's right to autonomy, the very thing we're supposed to get in leaving a cult.
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How many would leave the organization right now if the shunning rule was removed?
by HiddenPimo indream scenario: everyone is made aware of all the wrongs, the false prophecies / csa problem / double standards - .
and they would not shun, how many would jump ship?.
my parents are fully aware of the sins of the org.
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dubstepped
As I said in your other post about it, I look at it another way. What if all of the people scared of being shunned took steps to force shunning by officially leaving? How many JWs would be forced to do something they may not be dehumanized enough to do by shunning people they love? What if having to shun would wake them up because it hurts and is so unnatural? What if their shunning may be the one button we could push that would force them to experience the ugliness they're involved in but we're too scared to do it?
I can say that having to shun my brother, and doing so for years, was the one constant thing pinging the cognitive dissonance in my mind and even before realizing that "The Truth" was a lie that one thing helped me realize how manipulative it all was. Waking up isn't often a one step process but that one thing was a constant source of just feeling like something wasn't quite right. My first act of rebellion, even before fully waking up, was taking a stand to see my brother again.
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Has anyone on here used this forum to announce they were out and revealed their real name?
by HiddenPimo injust wondering if anyone has ever posted their personal information and have proof that the borg is watching and sent the gestapo to get them?.
i will be announcing my resignation and da myself - and i am objectively looking at either doing it bud dwyer (not really like him but by extension) style at a meeting or an email blast or just giving a letter to the boe?.
any advice is appreciated.
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dubstepped
Why keep playing their game and giving tacit approval to the awful things they do by failing to take a stand? Why show them that they can get away with anything they want and you'll keep trying to appease them like an abuse victim? You took a stand when you went in, why not take one when you leave? Why do people continue to live without true freedom because they let fear of rejection keep them from writing a simple letter, playing all types of mental games to justify their inaction?
Take whatever stand you want. To thine own self be true while the cowards judge you.
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A film on the Amish and those that leave
by days of future passed init's a simple but telling film of two families that leave the amish.
they experience what jw's do when leaving.
the film maker has a slow but interesting view of what goes on in the amish religion as well as the challenges that the two families have.
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dubstepped
So I just watched it. Holy crap that was depressing. I'm not sure if this new evangelical thing is better or worse. It was all so bleak, and the dad's didn't care about their kids one bit. It was all about serving the lord and worries about money while they did no work. The kids suffered. The shot of the little girl getting chemo and the dad just says "that's $78 dollars" while the documentarian tells her she did a good job and she smiles is the summary. All of the adults are narcissists that only care about saving their souls and repping the lord while their kids suffer. It's all so familiar, and so sad. In the end even the ones that left still look and act Amish just with what may be more extreme belief. Ugh.
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A film on the Amish and those that leave
by days of future passed init's a simple but telling film of two families that leave the amish.
they experience what jw's do when leaving.
the film maker has a slow but interesting view of what goes on in the amish religion as well as the challenges that the two families have.
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dubstepped
Interesting, I'll have to check it out. I have interviewed two Amish for my podcast, and a Mennonite. According to the one Amish person I have edited and up officially on the podcast, Torah, there is an issue with Amish leaving and joining super conservative kind of militant Christian religions. I guess it makes sense that they may be drawn to fundamentalist religions and only get partially free. I'm commenting in part to mark this. Hopefully I'll be able to get some time to watch and remember to. Thanks for sharing this.