Posts by dubstepped

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Soooo, when I tell you I feel it's a cult

by cognac in

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why would you proceed to invite me to their meetings?

wtf?

how much clearer can i make my stance????

dubstepped

When I wanted to stop pioneering the elders wouldn't accept my deletion. I tried twice to no avail. Just stick it out, they said. When the CO came for a visit I pulled the CO and PO (it was years ago) together and said "I quit" in no uncertain terms. I was subsequently deleted but also pulled into a room so the PO could chastise me for my handling of the matter.

They don't listen unless you beat them in the head with a club they're so dense. It's about what they want for you. Who are you to decide, lol.

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Just wrote my DA letter....

by dubstepped in

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friends

my wife and i planned on fading but the elders now want a shepherding call and we are just done.

i know that many play the game to try to stay in, but i'm not a game player and neither is my wife.

our families already shun us because we reached out to a disfellowshipped family member.

dubstepped

I'll be honest. I think that screwing with them or trying to prove points isn't productive. I've written very loving letters that do have some points in them (more direct to the elders and more subtle to family) and that's my methodology. I have no desire to stoop to the levels they do when they talk about other religions. Love was my wake up call and love will be the way I go out. That's not to say that I'm writing wussified pandering letters accepting the shame that they want me to hold for my decision. I will probably share my letter later. I've read samples online and they're very combative. You catch more flies with honey, not that I'm trying to manipulate like the organization does. I'm just being authentic and the anti-organization. They're cold and rigid and sterile. One of my many mottos is "rise above" and that's my goal.

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Just wrote my DA letter....

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

my wife and i planned on fading but the elders now want a shepherding call and we are just done.

i know that many play the game to try to stay in, but i'm not a game player and neither is my wife.

our families already shun us because we reached out to a disfellowshipped family member.

dubstepped

True closure happens when I'm six feet under. That will hopefully be a while. Do for now they will have no ability to interrupt my day and the fear they instilled will dissipate. To allow them to continue playing games with me is to give them power. Our families will give them power but that's on them. We're just stating our authentic place.

I've never been a pretender and I don't plan on starting now. Everyone else gets to be them and I'll be me. I'm the guy that stands up when others won't. I'm also a tad obsessive compulsive and need a clean slate and to eliminate worries.

I'm just thankful to have my wife with me.

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Just wrote my DA letter....

by dubstepped in

jw
friends

my wife and i planned on fading but the elders now want a shepherding call and we are just done.

i know that many play the game to try to stay in, but i'm not a game player and neither is my wife.

our families already shun us because we reached out to a disfellowshipped family member.

dubstepped

My wife and I planned on fading but the elders now want a shepherding call and we are just done. I know that many play the game to try to stay in, but I'm not a game player and neither is my wife. Our families already shun us because we reached out to a disfellowshipped family member. I know people here encouraged us not to play their game but we want closure. It is tough to feel sick every time the phone rings or someone is outside our home. If not now, when we take blood or any number of things we'll be waiting for the hammer to drop. Maybe our exit wakes someone up. Who knows. The last thing we want is a shepherding call or anything of the sort. We'd rather just pull the trigger and avoid contact altogether.

So, what's the process? We send our letter to a few elders to make sure it is received. How long until they announce? Will they announce at the Halls we grew up in where our families attend?

Thanks for your input. We feel a mixture of relief and the desire to throw up.

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Wow nov 15 wt they refuse to show love to all

by poopie in

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wow the artcle love your neghboor the writer is trying to squeeze thorough what he feels is a loophole.

the problem is there is no loophole in gods law of love its amazing but eventually they will come to the realization that all people need love.

keep trying to skirt around it your digging yourself into a hole.

dubstepped

Hey Sabin, we've all done it. I too feel bad for the way I used to look at other people. I either looked right through them like they didn't exist, saw them as a possible number on my time slip for the month, or wondered if they were going to give me a hard time at their door. I never saw them as humans with the same feelings as I had, with families and other loved ones. The love I had as a JW was manufactured and shallow. The love I have now after opening my mind and heart and reading books on emotional abuse and narcissism and the like have really helped me to develop a side of me that was never allowed to flourish. I love people now, all people, and don't view myself as any better than anyone. After reading Tolle's book "A New Earth" I could see how much of what I did in the past as a JW was all ego based, and how much I missed seeing in myself and others.

I too am glad that you're not doing it anymore. ;) I'm glad to be freed myself as well.

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Wow nov 15 wt they refuse to show love to all

by poopie in

jw
friends

wow the artcle love your neghboor the writer is trying to squeeze thorough what he feels is a loophole.

the problem is there is no loophole in gods law of love its amazing but eventually they will come to the realization that all people need love.

keep trying to skirt around it your digging yourself into a hole.

dubstepped

I'm not sure what loophole you're referring to, but it is sad to me that they can only exercise "love of neighbor" as it relates to their preaching work. That is literally all it talks about. Be sure to speak kindly in the ministry work, and be ready to make a defense before those asking it of you in a kind and respectful manner even if the householder is belligerent. Otherwise though, those people don't exist. Outside the ministry they look down on the householders and we've all been there before as active JW's. They have no problem picking out which of those people's homes they want to live in during the new world. They talk about the people they meet after leaving the house, not always in flattering terms. But boy can they put that magic new fake personality on for a second while regurgitating the presentation at the door, feigning love while preaching to people that they're supposed to be doing because they are expected to actually have real love of neighbor.

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I Was Given The New Return To Jehovah Brochure

by minimus in

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i read it but it certainly didn't apply to me.

nobody stumbled me or hurt my feelings.

i just know crap when i see it.

dubstepped

My wife thought we'd get double digits (10+). My guess was 2, as we have one sister that shows interest in is and I figured a wild card in there somewhere. We sit at zero. None from family, who knows we've drawn away somewhat, and none from "the friends", a JW term signifying nothing. They never cared enough to try to help over the past years of our fade, but the second we talked to my DFed relative they all shunned us.

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Breaking News: Debbie McDaniel's House Vandalized Overnight with JW Threats!

by DarioKehl in

https://www.revealnews.org/article/she-spoke-about-jehovahs-witness-abuse-and-her-home-was-vandalized/i've been watching this gal all week too in addition to the rc developments in australia.

they just ran an article about her yesterday, and she found this vandalism this morning.

i hope it's not staged because that would hurt her credibility, but they ran with this story today:.

dubstepped

Someone needs some writing samples from that Lawrence guy. He's a proven creepy stalker. I do hope it wasn't just some random person or her trying to make the Borg look crazier than they are already.

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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!

by LostGeneration in

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

anyone know who this monty baker is?

i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".

dubstepped

@breakfastofchampions - I loved that point too. It is ironic that they have no problem enforcing reporting within the organization. They just don't care for reporting outside it much. These Aussies have made some devastating points. Too bad most JW's won't ever hear it or allow themselves to even think about it. I used to be that way.

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Day 4 Looks to Be Live at Any Moment - Link...and Upcoming Witness List!

by LostGeneration in

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

anyone know who this monty baker is?

i'm sure this guy will be able to tell the rc how things work behind the scenes without all the evasiveness, being that he is an "apostate".

dubstepped

Congratulations Dr. Applewhite! Your name can be added to a long list of people that tried to defend the organization and were eventually proven to look like morons for doing so, myself included. Just five months ago I was defending the organization to a friend of mine that was out for a long time, and then Tony went online and whined about tight pants and Spanx and how brothers could only be marriage material if they had positions in the congregation, and I too looked like an ass. Five months later I now know that I grew up in a mindless cult and am walking away in freedom. At least you get a check when you walk away. You lost some credibility and a few hours of time. I lost almost four decades and all of my family and friends.