I subscribe to your podcast but this file is incredibly large at over 1.2gb or so. Couldn't play it. If you guys can use a different format more people could listen through the podcast.
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Christian Science - Religious Abuse
by dubstepped inso i'm listening to an episode of the mental illness happy hour (mentalpod.com) about a lady that left christian science.
they like to throw around the phrase "the truth" a lot, read publications constantly and discuss at church, think they're better than others because they know "the truth", deny things that go on, etc.
her mom is a narcissist, and the religion is very narcissistic.
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dubstepped
So I'm listening to an episode of The Mental Illness Happy Hour (Mentalpod.com) about a lady that left Christian Science. They like to throw around the phrase "the truth" a lot, read publications constantly and discuss at church, think they're better than others because they know "the truth", deny things that go on, etc. Her mom is a narcissist, and the religion is very narcissistic. It all sounds so familiar.
And then I remember that MY GRANDFATHER WAS IN CHRISTIAN SCIENCE. Dammit, my mom just followed the same general path but with the JWs. It is fascinating to see the patterns. We happened to move into a house next door to JWs, and that's how my mom started studying. The rest is cult history. My mom certainly seems narcissistic. As a kid I never got medical treatment and chalked it up to not having money, but I also knew that nobody cared. It's kind of depressing to look back and see the extreme dysfunction. It's also a source of pride that i got emotionally healthy on my own and live a good life now.
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May 21, 2016 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Annual Items for 2017
by wifibandit inmay 21, 2016 to all congregations re: annual items for 2017.
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I don't see how they're dead. They just "evolved" from the WTBTS into JW.Borg. No way they're dead.
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Random Musings
by dubstepped inevery so often something strikes me about the dubs or bible as i read on here or just think.
not all are topic worthy, but i like thinking about things in different ways and when others share little things that struck them.
i'll share two for now, feel free to add your own to the list.. i was thinking the other day about the scripture saying the "for a certainty i perceive that god is not partial".
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dubstepped
Every so often something strikes me about the dubs or Bible as I read on here or just think. Not all are topic worthy, but I like thinking about things in different ways and when others share little things that struck them. I'll share two for now, feel free to add your own to the list.
I was thinking the other day about the scripture saying the "for a certainty I perceive that God is not partial". Hard to reconcile that with him having a "chosen people" and annihilating others to give them whatever. Also, he seems pretty partial when destroying billions of non-dubs at Armageddon.
"Millions now living will never die.". More like "more people will die holding fast to this belief than will ever walk into panda paradise without having to die", and that's a best case scenario assuming any validity to their doctrine. It should be a mind-f@!k to anyone not living in dissonance every time someone dies.
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She displayed a literature cart in front of my house: That does it for me!
by Tempest in a Teacup inis this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
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Er....I'll tell you what she brings SHES HER MOTHER....jeeze
Whew, thanks for clarifying that for me. I'll say the same thing I said just after that post you quoted. Just because someone had sex that they wanted to have and a kid was the byproduct, that doesn't make one forever obligated to that person. Yes, some people are great mothers and do so out of love and care, and others out of narcissism and control. The latter doesn't really care about their kids, so why should their kids care about them? Nobody is obliged to owe something to others just because they're related. Birthing a child doesn't make a person some magical entity deserving everlasting praise and care if they never gave it to you. I asked because I don't know their relationship. The OP doesn't have to live with crazy and support a grown adult that is toxic. You may feel differently, and go right ahead. The pedestal that moms or dads are placed on automatically is the cause of a ton of dysfunction and toxic relationships.
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2016 Regional Convention - Sunday Morning synopsis
by Jehalapeno invia reddit.
here are the morning program highlights.
will update for the afternoon once it's all over.
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So in the end, the bunker buddies have all managed to congregate themselves and pat themselves on the back while the authorities come in to get them. Brother bunkerless with the hairy palms from watching phone porn, or without depression and anxiety because he didn't force himself to preach, or whatever, is still out there and not necessarily abandoned by Jehovah, though inferred through the indoctrination. That bunker wasn't an ark. They apparently weren't protected at all. It was nothing more than a circle jerk of spiritual self-reflection. It accomplished nothing to flee to that bunker, according to the notes. -
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She displayed a literature cart in front of my house: That does it for me!
by Tempest in a Teacup inis this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
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dubstepped
Good grief, she doesn't even see you. She doesn't care what you think. It's all about her. "No" is a complete sentence. You don't need more than that. You don't have to explain yourself and take down every notion she comes up with as to why this should be acceptable. She has to learn to respect you, or she has to take her cart and walk her happy azz down to a brother and sister's house who will take her in. After all, they're her closest family, as would be evidenced by any judicial action against you.
JW reasoning doesn't matter here. You don't want it. End of story. She's still trying to reason with you as though JW's are the ultimate authority and they say it is okay. They aren't that authority for you. She can't get that.
I'm sorry you're dealing with a person that at least exhibits these narcissistic behaviors. I grew up with two. It sucked.
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She displayed a literature cart in front of my house: That does it for me!
by Tempest in a Teacup inis this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
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dubstepped
If she doesn't bring anything to this relationship and arrangement, why are you supporting her?
because I live in a culture that puts the family, especially the Mama on a pedestal and nothing take her off that position.Well, if the roles were reversed and she was on the outs with the JW's and you were in, and she got DF'ed, you'd have to shun her right? Sounds like she can definitely be removed from her pedestal. She would likely remove you from it in such a case.
I don't know your culture. I know it hurts to go against the grain, but nobody should get a free pass to treat you any way that they want just because they had sex with someone they wanted to have sex with and it resulted in your birth and subsequent responsibility to care for you. Some parents carry that out with love and devotion, others with control and toxicity. Pedestals are usually for people that earn them. Ultimately it's up to you to do what you want, but if you put a toxic person on a pedestal, you'll get poisoned. Maybe there are some horrific cultural punishments that you'll have to endure for sending your mom off that we don't know about. I'm sorry you're facing this but you can make it stop. You can't control everything in life, but don't accept powerlessness. Good luck.
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She displayed a literature cart in front of my house: That does it for me!
by Tempest in a Teacup inis this something they've asked them to do?
cart displays in front of their homes?
my mom is only in her mid 60s so i'm quite sure this is not an issue of mental illness.. the only illness she's suffering from is boredom since she's refused to work for years now.
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dubstepped
I have two questions.
What DOES your mom bring to this living arrangement? She doesn't seem to respect you, doesn't respect your home, and doesn't contribute financially since you said she refuses to work.
If she doesn't bring anything to this relationship and arrangement, why are you supporting her?
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Someone anonymously tipped the elders?
by raven inso here an update on my current situation, in a nutshell i've been trying to quietly fade for the past 5 months.. well, my mom somehow found out that i am currently fading and that i live with my boyfriend (for more info on this check my previous posts) i told her yes i live with him and yes i no longer want to be a jw.
anyways, yesterday she met my boyfriend.. awkward.
and after lunch she pulled me aside to tell me that the po came up to her (he was part of my jc when i was reproved) he said to her "someone came to me and said - i cannot say who so they will remain anonymous- but that your daughter is living with someone" my mom confirmed and apparently he told her that i have one week to confess this, and if i don't my parents are obligated to tell them everything.. what kind of nonsense is that?
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dubstepped
Same thing happened to my brother close to 15 years ago. He had a girl living with him and hadn't been to meetings in probably about the same amount of time, maybe more, it was a long time ago. Anyway, elders tried to hunt him down relentlessly. I didn't know where he lived, just a street, and I knocked on doors myself to find him, not to get him in trouble, but because I cared for my brother and wanted him to not be alone. He was fading. Anyway, an elder in my congregation cornered me in the KH after a meeting right in the auditorium. He demanded to know my brother's whereabouts because they wanted to "help" him. I told them that the Bible says that they are to go find their lost sheep and abandon the flock to do so. I went and found him, so why couldn't they do the same out of their love and desire to "help" him. Things got super heated, enough that another elder stepped in to calm the first down. F&@! them, I'm not there to do their dirty work for them.
Ultimately, they found out where he worked and stalked him there. They waited for him to come out of work and he was "invited" to a judicial committee meeting. If he declined, he'd be disfellowshipped in absentia. He didn't attend and that's what happened. He wanted to disappear and live his life and be left alone. That's all he ever wanted from the time he left home.
I was told even just a year from then that it's not how things worked anymore. Elders don't hunt people down that just want to leave, and I actually know someone that they never pursued that should have been DF'ed back then. It hurt me a lot that my brother was DF'ed, and this other person wasn't. I really struggled to make sense of it. My mom told me that "those whom Jehovah loves, he disciplines", and that brought me comfort as I grasped for straws way back then. It comforted me to think that maybe Jehovah loved my brother and saw something in him that would result in him coming back. Now I know that it's just selective enforcement punitive bullshit that was executed upon my brother because he was from our uber-dub family with my elder father. The other kid was left alone because his dad never really attended, his mom did occasionally, and they just never cared about them in any way so if they left, meh.....who cares. My brother though had to be made an example.
I wish I had good news for you. Here we are 15 years after my brother's ordeal and the same stuff still happens. You know how this will play out. Maybe you can threaten attorneys and stuff, I personally just think this will go down regardless as a DF'ing and you're going to have to move on with your life and leave that chapter behind regardless of what you do at this point. Maybe it works for some, but I haven't seen it work. Sometimes in life you have to let the chips fall as they may and realize that you don't have control. My wife and I DA'ed after things happened that were out of our control as the last measure of doing things on our terms, and it was great. You have choices, none are particularly great, as that's what cults do. You just have to pick what feels right to you and what you've got the strength or personality to do.