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@OTWO - I agree. He's terrible with apologies and seems good at coming up with ways to need to apologize.
As for the funds, I don't like it, but apparently some do if he's got sales and donors and it's not up to me to like what others like. If some want to do it to show support then that's up to them. None of them have to prove anything to me, neither Lloyd nor his supporters. They're free to do their thing.
was there one certain event or was it more a cumulative thing?.
For me it was primarily getting mentally and emotionally healthy and realizing that there was no real love in the organization. The way they talked about everyone outside of the organization, and they way people inside dealt with each other, betrayed a lack of love. They "use" people in the congregation, they call each other "friends" while being in cliques, they look down on so many people and their egos are wrapped up in being self-righteous. It was just ugliness. That started it all for me. It took years to get healthy, and then it honestly wasn't until after we disassociated that I even broke down enough of the doctrine to realize that they were wrong about so many things. I knew enough to get me out, but even after we left I still had a lot to learn about the cult.
my sister sent me this youtube.
in it are witnesses waving their phone lights and dancing in the aisles.
sorry if this vid has been posted before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7iw-zisgw.
How was that video less than 2 minutes? It felt like an eternity watching it. Wow.
I always told people that there wasn't anything really emotional to connect with in the cult. Looks like they found it. Formerly it was mostly fear and shame and doom and gloom. Now they've brought in repetitive but cheerful music for people to get wrapped up in and have people up dancing. Ugh.
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I said: If he owned up to some mistake in the past is he forever defined by it like a disfellowshipped person is forever labeled unless they come crawling back?
Morpheus replied: As for your ridiculous comparisons to being df’d.... please. Because i think someone is an ass and dont want to deal with them dosent equate cult shunning. Thats called life. We dont all see eye to eye and we dont all like each other as besties. To take personal decisions and try to equate them to cult instituted shunning trivializes the pain inflicted by the cults manditory shunning. It also takes away the responsibility i willingly bear for having a view of a person.
So I wanted to let this go, but I'm somewhat obsessive and although I was working and didn't have time earlier I wanted to address the above because it was rolling around in my mind. I didn't feel like your categorization of what I said was fair at all.
My point and question was about a forever label, not an act like shunning. Like labeling John Lloyd a pedo or whatever. A person that has been disfellowshipped and labeled a fornicator or whatever is forever branded with that label unless and until they address the situation.
So you took my question about that label and how labels stick to a person and made it all about what you wanted it to be about for some reason, the act of shunning. So much so that you accused me of trivializing the pain inflicted by the cult's mandatory shunning. Really? Again, I never discussed the act of shunning and was talking about labels that stick to people unless they come crawling back, exactly what people are doing here by expecting him to address labels that are being put upon him based on reading into the terms used in his book. You are the one talking about acts of cult shunning, not me. I never even used the word.
For the record, I am shunned. My wife is shunned. My first act of rebellion was going against the shunning policy and visiting my brother knowing that it would get me shunned. I do a podcast called "shunned" where I help people tell their stories of being shunned. But you accused me of trivializing it. See how easy it is to take words, read things into them, and then jump to assertions? Who knows, maybe someday I'll say something on my podcast that people can hate on me with. Oh to be so famous, lol.
When it comes to Cedar Evans, he certainly has been a polarizing figure. I don't agree with a lot of what he's said or done, and the piling on seems odd, but this site does seem rather anti-Evan Johns, so maybe it's just par for the course here. Maybe there's a history with him that I don't even know. People aren't all good or all bad. Clearly he has some of both in him too.
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I wasn't directing all of my questions at you directly Morpheus, just thinking aloud at the discussion itself. So hopefully you don't think I'm putting words in your mouth, it wasn't my intent.
There's a phenomenon in this world that I don't get. It seems like we love to build people up just to tear them down. Perhaps we shouldn't build them up anyway, they're just people. Obviously some people build themselves up and maybe Lloyd is that guy.
If someone negs me for my comments that's fine, we don't have to agree. I have more respect for someone that makes a mistake, even a horrific one, and that is vulnerable enough to admit it, than the alternative. Maybe John Lloyd Cedars-Evans did something bad. Maybe he's a total douchebag or worse. I don't know him.
I'd still be interested in seeing exactly what he said, in context. It still wouldn't define everything he is, was, or will be, at least for me. Your mileage may vary, but it seems as though many (not necessarily you Morph) get off on watching people fall. If dude did something awful that's sad and I hope he turns things around or already has if it was something in the distant past.
I'm also not trying to tell anyone what to discuss. I'm just discussing the part I find more interesting, human behavior around instances like this. Noone has to engage me if they don't want. They can go right back to the trashing of the guy. Whatever makes one happy.
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Why do you or anyone feel like you're entitled to answers. How does it affect you? What exactly did he say? Is he defined by one moment in time? Why such delight in tearing someone down? If he owned up to some mistake in the past is he forever defined by it like a disfellowshipped person is forever labeled unless they come crawling back?
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Although I am not of fan of the cost here, nor of the fact that he didn't even reply to my query regarding helping to get the word out about my podcast activism, I have to say that I'm not a fan of vilifying the guy either. Picking at the word "girl" seems a stretch, even more labeling someone a "pedo" without real evidence. The guy is abrasive to some, has made enemies, but then again some of those people made him an enemy.
Props to the guy for doing a lot for doing a lot for the exjw community. His site and videos have helped a lot of people. It feels unfair to pick him apart just because he's vocal and puts himself out there. Does he get money for things? I'm sure, but let's not act like the man is getting rich. I don't want to be like the JWs that get up in arms about people selling book covers and such as though everything should be free and there's no cost to time. I have people asking me to put a Patreon account up for them to donate to my efforts in my podcast. I haven't yet, but it takes both time and money to do things. People want to pay to show support too.
It just don't get the desire to pile on people that do good things and to focus solely on the negative. It feels like a feeding frenzy and maybe some of those negative qualities allow him to do positive things too. Glass houses and all that stuff. It takes all types.
sincere apologies if i've missed previous post/s on this topic, but who actually owns this nice little earner?
https://www.livekingdomhall.com/signup.
i've just been discussing this "provision" with an elderly jw sister who paid out over £100 for an apple box, in order to access her local congregation meeting when she didn't attend..
Interesting. The pricing seems kind of inexpensive to me. I looked up the domain but it's private so I couldn't see who owned it. I knew that one could listen in and thought that congregations paid for it, but didn't know about video streaming.
i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.
but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.
we are not mindless automatons.
Lolz.
it`s christmas eve here in australia today and i wish all of you a very merry xmas simply because i can without being zapped , or hauled into a jc committee.. it doesn`t matter whether you are religious or not , i`m not now , however i can appreciate and respect those who do.. so whatever your views on the matter have a great day and enjoy the holidays in whatever grabs your fancy.. and if jw`s do come knocking on your door as they do this festive season wish them a merry xmas and anti-witness to them ..
Merry Christmas to everyone! My wife and I kicked it off today by opening presents given to us by our clients and had fun with that. Later today we're watching Harry Potter movies with some exjw friends.
Enjoy the days, whatever they mean to you, in freedom to decide that for yourself. :)
