@OldNavy - Is there a chance that it is you that have been very cleverly deceived? Who would be the "deceiver"? What % would you give that chance?
dubstepped
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.
quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.
especially for the first sister they talk about!.
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Hey, what if "new light" comes forth and the pioneering hour requirements are reduced (again) and sister number one would qualify now? Or what if the Watchtower decides to have a one time annual sale on hours like they do around Memorial season for auxiliary pioneers? I love how they talk about upholding the seriousness of requirements that are subject to be lowered at any time so that they can pump up their numbers. It's all so stupid.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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dubstepped
Chances are that if evolution was disproven then Cofty would accept that and change. Cofty didn't start there, he likely was a staunch creationist but his thinking evol..... um.... he changed his mind with new information. He's shown that ability. You?
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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.
quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.
especially for the first sister they talk about!.
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@hoser - That's a great observation!
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Well, I sure am proud of what this thread has been reduced to. It was a great conversation and I appreciate those that helped me understand and work through my questions about evolution. I now understand much more and have a greater respect for evolution. The dizzying blather about "creation" certainly did nothing to garner respect for something that I once held so dear.
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Leaked 2018 Elders Training Video RE: Elders Reviewing Pionieers
by pale.emperor inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq5viughny&feature=youtu.be.
quite frankly im disturbed at the lack of love and compassion.
especially for the first sister they talk about!.
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dubstepped
I watched quite a bit of it. It's so convoluted and ridiculous. Don't forget sister, we're taking you off the list for your own good. Yeah, you've been a pioneer for 8 years, but that's really not long. Yuck.
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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dubstepped
I would reply that you're reading in what you want to be true rather than what there is evidence for, using old superstitions which are rarely true in life to do so.
Faith or delusion?
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Fisherman - Making the human brain (mind) the most powerful known thing in the universe. --Imagine that!
Better watch out Fishy, you sound like an evolutionist. You're right though. The human brain is the most powerful one we know of in the universe. There is nothing else that we truly know of with any evidence. No alien life yet, no god, nothing. Imagine that!
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Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution
by dubstepped inso i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
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Old Navy - Beliefs are personal and only we ourselves can decide when we will modify them or change them. Efforts by others to change minds are an exercise in futility.
But some things aren't just beliefs. Evolution contains evidence. That evidence contradicts the Biblical account of creation, the flood, etc., which requires little more than belief to hold to.
I also disagree with the part in bold above. Efforts by others to change minds are not futile if one is open minded and searching for truth and the other comes with factual evidence. I'm trying to be open minded here and to understand evolution. Many here have brought evidence for me to look at and to think about. The reason I'm asking questions in the first place is because efforts by others to change minds has finally got through to me.
I do agree with the assertion in bold in one respect though. Most aren't actually open minded. Look at Fisherman above. He's been here for well over a decade getting shut down over and over with facts, at times even his own arguments, and yet he's still here peddling much of the same stuff. Maybe he's changed in ways, I don't know, but if you can ultimately come here day in and day out and get into arguments from a pro-JW stance and on the same things over and over, and never think that there might just be a chance that you're dead wrong with so many great arguments being thrust at you, then what are you doing? If you can be in an environment like this very site and you come out the end like you entered in the beginning, something is wrong with you. People here are constantly challenging and questioning long held beliefs of others, but most others aren't willing to set aside their emotions and to do the hard work of challenging where they stand. It hurts to do so.
I couldn't stand Cofty (sorry Cofty, my apologies) when I came here. I found him abrasive and disagreed vehemently with him on a few subjects. I literally just asked him for his input on this subject. Why? Because I've changed over time on here. I've come to have great respect for him. I also think he's mellowed out a bit in ways, or maybe I'm just not as fragile as I was when I first came here. I don't know. Either way I like Cofty a lot and appreciate his posts. Maybe we both changed over time. People that are looking for the best explanations of things, the best ways of doing things to be effective, typically do. Others just stick to their guns and do the same things over and over again expecting different results this time (like going into a person's post about evolution while espousing their god stuff for some odd reason), and we all know what that's the definition of according to some.
My wife was going through my Facebook profile today and stumbled upon one of the first posts that I ever made on there. It was this pro-creationism rant. I thought I knew it all. There was one video in this very thread that I have seen before that I got to see this time with open eyes. I wasn't ready for it when I saw it before and criticized it because I wasn't honest enough and open enough to grasp what it was saying. I was still holding on to long held beliefs that I needed to hold on to at the time. Now I'm strong enough not to need those things anymore.
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Would You Go To A Memorial Service For A JW )if you were no longer attending the KH)?
by minimus insome of my old jw friends are sickly and getting on in age.
so far, i’ve only gone to my mother’s memorial and have avoided the kingdom hall altogether.... your thoughts please?.
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dubstepped
Nope. I'm dead to all of those people and none came to my funeral. They all died a couple years back. My dad died 6 months after I disassociated. I wasn't welcome at his memorial. I did see some family at hospice, and that getting dragged in and out at their behest is a mind fuck. I learned my lesson. I won't be present for anything, nor will they be present if anything should happen to me. The deaths already occurred.