Of course they aren't going anywhere. There's a sucker born every minute. Some portion will find their way into this cult. Groups like Heaven's Gate still exist. Belief and faith overcomes reason and if the JWs went belly up financially they'd just go online only and keep it going. The pieces are even in place. They still grow overall in numbers every year. They've gotten leaner by getting rid of many buildings and cashed in on Brooklyn. They'll be fine. I wish that wasn't true, but they'll be fine for a long time. They can drag out "the last days" forever and are already trying to switch to more mainstream Christianity. They'll just end up somewhere close to that and the nuttery we were exposed to won't come to mind anymore than a current JW thinks of Russell.
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Don't count on witnessing Watchtower's demise anytime soon.
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthe fact that there are pomi ex-jws who have been disfellowshiped or inactive for years who still live in constant fear of armageddon indicates that watchtower will manage to exist in one way or another for years, if not decades, to come.
watchtower, like all other religious cults, operate on the premise that "you can fool some of the people all of the time...and that's enough!
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Evolution - A Conversation with Alex Williams
by cofty inalex - thank you for your offer to have a conversation about evolution.. i accept the scientific evidence that all life - including humans - evolved from a common ancestor through unguided evolution over millions of years.
this isn't even a controversial position in the scientific community.. the evidence rests on the data from many interconnected fields including paleontology, comparative anatomy, geology and especially genetics.
it is no exaggeration to say that the evidence for your own non-human ancestry is contained in every cell in your body.. it is my experience that jws are generally quite ignorant (not in a pejorative sense) of the scientific case.
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Alex didn't last very long before melting down, lol. Perhaps his god was in the privy while all of these things were going on that man has found? Nice work again Cofty.
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Weird Jehovah’s Witnesses
by minimus inis it my imagination or are most witnesses weird, odd, and “different “?
it seems every congregation has a couple of weirdo elders, pioneers and ministerial servants.
and then you see those witnesses who attend meetings but most people seldom associate with them because... they are eccentric..
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Many that join as adults are running from trauma. Rather than getting adequate help they escape into a cult that thinks for them, feels for them, etc. Eccentricities may come out because these people aren't fully present in their lives.
Those that are born in are forced into a cookie cutter mold their entire lives which is going to push them naturally to differentiate themselves in some way and "weird" behavior may be that way of being "themselves".
I'm sure that they attract people with certain non-conforming behavior anyway as they are non-conforming, well, until you get into the cult and then just conform to their rules.
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When should you Disassociate yourself?
by happytobefree ini have been having discussion with my sister (relative), who is an active witness, about writing a letter of disassociation.
the reason being is that i have not attended the meetings in over a year and it's been 4 years since i have went out in the jw ministry.. i going to try to sum this topic up.
my sister think that i should not da myself because i have not done any immoral act in her thinking.
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Absolutely, faders have to censor themselves and hide, sometimes move. Tell me again who's playing their games? Then they often end up shunned anyway. That's the dumbest tag line that is repeated constantly. Come up with something new.
Also, to not take a stand simply because they came up with a term would be playing their game, letting them dictate how you leave.
We ALL play their games to some degree. They impact all of our lives. Own it. Then act accordingly.
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When should you Disassociate yourself?
by happytobefree ini have been having discussion with my sister (relative), who is an active witness, about writing a letter of disassociation.
the reason being is that i have not attended the meetings in over a year and it's been 4 years since i have went out in the jw ministry.. i going to try to sum this topic up.
my sister think that i should not da myself because i have not done any immoral act in her thinking.
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Disassociation is the best! My wife and I did it together. The need to constantly bash disassociating is more about the insecurity of those unable to do so than those that actually did it.
Seeing Minimus trolling disassociating is especially ridiculous seeing as how he likes to troll the forum as a whole with posts about how you should take a stand and leave otherwise you tacitly support the JWs. Figure out your stance man. Disassociating is the ultimate in taking a stand against them and not supporting them. You should be in favor. But people just repeat the same tired arguments.
Do what you want and stop throwing shade at others that do the same. Everyone else thinks they get to speak for disassociating when they can't even do it. If you don't want to, then fade away, do your thing and be secure in it enough that you don't have to start taking shots at others to do it. You don't see the disassociated running down those that are disfellowshipped or fade.
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Faithful and Prudent slave? read somewhere that the discreet was going to change to Prudent.
by goingthruthemotions inread on one of the forums, and maybe this one that the gb are going to start calling themselves the faithful and prudent slave.
my pimi brainwashed wife wouldn't bat an eyelash if they started calling themselves this.
to her it would be new light and they could do nothing wrong.. but, how the not so brainwashed flock take this change?
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Lmao, if they do this it is such a J-dub thing to do. They pick at words and change stupid things to 1.) make people feel like something new actually happened and 2.) make you feel pressure to keep up with "Jehovah's chariot" which means that if you don't say it right everyone will know you're falling behind. It's stupid peer pressure b.s. and they'll use the new word to highlight some quality about them that they want you to feel. Utter garbage.
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Episode Thirty Five - Andie is shunned by Jehovah's Witnesses
by dubstepped ini haven't shared my new episodes of late because it seems like most people here know about it and follow along if they're interested but maybe there's a new person that might find these interesting so i thought i'd share my newest release.
there are also more ways to listen than in the past.. new episode!
- thirty five - andie is shunned by jehovah's witnesses.
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I haven't shared my new episodes of late because it seems like most people here know about it and follow along if they're interested but maybe there's a new person that might find these interesting so I thought I'd share my newest release. There are also more ways to listen than in the past.
New Episode! - Thirty Five - Andie is shunned by Jehovah's Witnesses
Today we are talking with Andie, formerly one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. This story really involves so many things. First, we’re talking about a family that goes all the way back to the Rutherford days of the organization. Additionally, Andie was beat up for her beliefs, she was forced to move a lot for a reason that you won’t see coming, and she spent time in Mexico to try to build an English speaking congregation but had to come home for another reason that you won’t see coming. She talks openly about self-harm, about her own horrific rape, living in her car, and thoughts of suicide. Andie was one tough young lady that dealt with a lot and came out the other side. She should be very proud of herself.
You can listen on the podcast app of your choice such as iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Google Play Music, Podbean, Podcast Republic (my personal choice), or many others.
You can also find the podcast on iHeartRadio, Spotify, Radio Public, Player.fm, Radio.com, and Owltail.
There is a player on my website where you can listen at:
https://shunnedpodcast.com/episode-thirty-five-andie-is-sh…/Or if you prefer Youtube you can find it at:
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WT's eBay account, latest listings
by neat blue dog injust thought i'd randomly check in on watchtower's ebay account for fun.
still selling thousands of used and vintage electronics and office supplies, even some laserdisc movies lol.. .
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I always wanted to pick up a mic from them for my podcast. I used to watch to see if the right thing came up. I don't want to give them money but it would be fun to use their mic against them. Oh well.
Do people still buy laserdiscs?
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If you saw a governing body member being pummeled would you help them?
by Tenacious inbefore you answer; .
think about how they could care less how many families are broken up just to retain their power.
how they could care less if members are driven to suicide because of the deep programming and severe depression or strained family situations.. how they would rather let members die in order to retain their power and refuse to acknowledge their faulty bible reasoning regarding blood.. i could go on and on and on.
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I don't try to lower my standards to theirs so yes, I would help. I have to be me and don't want to be them.
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Heartbroken that my parents are so blind...
by HiddenPimo inso i sent a letter outlining the scriptures that support shunning versus the 3 times as many that support not shunning.
this is the below response that i received.
i will be announced tomorrow night and wanted them to know since that is the fair and adult thing to do.
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Sorry Jared, comes with the territory. You know it's going to happen but it's still tough to see how blind they are once you've woken up. You were likely there once yourself though.
Loyalty has really been harped on lately. It's a great way to control people. That message they sent you was pretty short and non-personal. That's how they often are though. Their love is very conditional.
My wife never heard one word from her family. Not one word from any of them. They immediately cut her off simply for going to see my disfellowshipped brother with me once. Done. Never another word. We disassociated later, but it changed nothing for her on that level.