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  SHUNNED FATHER NEEDS YOUR HELP

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  i need to find some watchtower quotes about " the spirit of the world" and "the world of mankind" and how bad it is and that it will be destroyed at armagedon.

  unfortunately , when my wife moved out she took all the wts publications.

  thanks for your help.

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  OOps

  I messed up the picture. Anyway, I hope this link will be explanatory regarding the disturbing pictures in the Watchtower Publications that depict violence toward "worldlings" and thier buildings.

  http://www.e-watchman.com/
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  SHUNNED FATHER NEEDS YOUR HELP

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  i need to find some watchtower quotes about " the spirit of the world" and "the world of mankind" and how bad it is and that it will be destroyed at armagedon.

  unfortunately , when my wife moved out she took all the wts publications.

  thanks for your help.

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  No HOPE in our future????

  by kenpodragon in

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  in my witness past, i had many hopes.

  they do not pass by with the thought that there will soon be hope of something better.

  no, they pass into me with the hope of knowing how precious the things are that i have.

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  Dragon, that was very beautiful, and so true. Since leaving that religion my hopes are keenly felt in a positive way. For one thing, I have learned to "smell the flowers" of life. We were not encouraged to do that as witnesses. I appreciate everything so much more now. Witnesses are not allowed to hope in anything in this world. And so they kind of disconnect from it mentally and emotionally. Instead, they spend thier lives in a miserable state of mind living thier whole life waiting not to die, hoping thier paradise will come any day in thier lifetime. How sad.
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  SHUNNED FATHER GOES TO COURT - AGAIN

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  the watchtower has been trying to get my wife appointed as the representative of bethany's estate so they would be in a possition to sue the doctors, hospital, child welfare and provincial government.

  i decided to get involved to prevent this.

  after many months of legal battling , the wts thru in the towel and gave up on the idea.

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  Lawrence, I have not kept up with each and every post here, and have from time to time read some of your post. I had no idea all that you have been put through by this horrible cult that devastates families. My prayers are with you. Give the bastards what they deserve, and I hope that your wife will someday see this religion for what it really is.
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  A Thread for All The Mothers Who Won't Be Hearing From Their Children Sun.

  by berylblue in

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  happy mother's day!

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  (((((((((((((((((((((((beryblu)))))))))))))))))))))
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  I'll Pray for you. What's your feelings when someone says that to you?

  by El Kabong in

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  for those of us who left organized religion, how does it make you feel when a xtian says they will pray for you because you don't believe the same as they do?

  personally, in my opinion, that is a very obnoxious statement, especially if i don't ask or want someone to pray for me.

  to me, that's saying that i am wrong and they are right, and they are praying to god that i will see things their way.

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  JW's, if they are not telling you "God's gonna kill you if you don't believe as I do, there telling you "I'll pray for you so God doesn't kill you" My opinion when they say that to you, they are being insulting in a passive agressive way and they know it.
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  Tonight's News -Town vs JW's over Purchase of Park Property

  by ARoarer in

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  has anyone else seen this on cbs news this evening?

  i didn't see all of it but apparantly a lawyer representing the rhinebeck congregation will be dealing with the local community over environmental issues over the jw purchase.

  the proberty in question was supposedly willed to the town.

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  Has anyone else seen this on CBS News this evening? I didn't see all of it but apparantly a lawyer representing the Rhinebeck Congregation will be dealing with the local community over environmental issues over the JW purchase. The proberty in question was supposedly willed to the town. I am not clear on exactly all the details. Leave it up to the JW's to push the "worldly" peaple around.
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

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  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  Hawk, Yes, I totally agree that there are male children molested within Jehovah's Witnesses, just as there are female victims within the Catholic Church. I can't speak for the Catholic religion, but i think that although female children are for the most-part the majority of victims within the congregations, there may very well be more male victims that we are not yet aware of, for whatever reason. And yes, I am aware that not all sexual molestations are of an incestuous nature, however the closed community and family aspect of generational families within the community of Jehovah's Witnesses make the situation of incest an unfortunate and tragic consequence. Since congegations intermarry congregations are often run by families of elders. As I mentioned, the molesting family members of these victims also go on to molest outside thier familes and victimize other members' daughters. As in the case of my father-in-law who not only molested his own nieces, and granddaughters, but continued his perversion within the surrounding congregations, and even outside the congregation, in his own neighborhood. He had many "wordly" victims. Pedophiles go out after "flesh" of children. They are opportunists and will sieze the opportunity to go after a vulnerable child whether a family member or outside the family. Unfortunately, as in my case in our situation our daughter's grandfather was actually protected by family elders in other congregations who, even though they knew he had molested thier own children, sisters, cousins, and nieces, and wives, still came after us to silence us, because they were unwilling to face up to the fact that he had tarnished the family name. They sought to silence even non family members who tried to speak out. I believe there are many elders in the various congregations who are fully aware of pedophile family members who also molest within the congregations. Sadly there are also many victims who have chosen not to come forward and stay under the control of thier family members. In our situation even though victims spanning 3 generations in and outside the family finally broke their painful silence, and supported us, there were other victims in and out of the family who would not. Many of these outside victims are actually now married to family elders, thus complicating this whole issue. This is why I believe the situation within Jehovah's Witnesses is so insidiously dangerous, and constanly evolving and growing, unlike within the Catholic Church. I wish the media would look at this difference and investigate the closed community aspect of Jehovah's Witnesses that perpetuates sexual abuse of thier children and especially through shunning, which in itself is an act of abuse.
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  Watchtower Condemns Catholics for Pedophile Cover-Up!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  the watchtower society has condemned the catholic church for over 15 years because of their pedophile cover-up -- now, the watchtower society is trying to make a defense of their own pedophile cover-up by claiming that they are "no worse than any other religion"!.

  statements made to the media by official watchtower society spokesmen about the jehovah's witnesses pedophile problem being "no worse than any other religion":.

  christianity today, january 26th 2001:.

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/51236/1.ashx

  Watchtower no differnent from the Catholic Church?????

  I posted on above thread just how different it really is.
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  Which religions excommunicate convicted sex offenders?

  by proplog2 in

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  bill bowen likes to use the expression "pedophile paradise" because of the two witness requirement.

  but, don't jw's disfellowship unrepentant sex offenders?

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  The point of the matter is this. Yes the Catholics have a pedophile problem and so does the Watchtower. There is a tremendously big difference between the two. The Catholic priests have largely had scandals with molesting young boys randomly in Catholic parishes. They have been protected by thier hyrarchy but even so victims are not excommunicated, and thier families and other parishoners are not threatened into shunning them.

  The most significant difference and certainly the most disturbing and dangerous difference is that within Jehovah's Witnesses, the sexual predators mostly abuse baby and pre-pubesant girls. These victims are often molested and raped by thier own family members such as fathers, uncles, cousins, brothers . This becomes an issue of incest. These incestuous molesters often go on to not only molest their own family little girls but also other little girls within the congregation. Again a sort of psuedo-incestuous situation since congregations are so much like family, it is psychologically incestous being raped by brother so and so who should be like a spiritual father in a spiritual family. These pedophiles are most often protected in the congregations by co-dependant family members wanting to protect the "family name" and use "bringing reproach on Jehovah" to keep these victims from going outside their family to even tell the elders. And if they do the elders re-victimize them by telling them not to go to the police, and not to warn other members or face slander and excommunication, or force them to disassociate themselves. All of this adds to the 2-witness issue in making the Watchtower so different and much more dangerous then any other religion who may have a molesting priest or rabbi. And since the congregations intermarry within Jehobvah's Witnesses this incestuous pedophilia is passed on intercongregationally and generationally, again making it far more of a serious problem that pales the Catholic Church in comparison. I

  I just wish this would become more publisized by the media when announcements are made by the media likening Watchtower's problem to the Catholic Church. Bill may be contraversial to some but he is gutsy and has brought on public awareness through the media about Watchtower. He has given victims the courage to come forward. I admire him. I hope that he brings the incest factor more in the publics eye, however, and make the media aware of this obvious difference and the danger it imposes within Jehovah's Witnesses.