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  Happy Father's Day

  by talesin in

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  i admit it, i wanted to be the first to wish all of you guys a happy father's day.. i've been thinking about those of you who are separated from their kids, and grandkids, all week.. to you guys, especially, talesin sends her love, and wants you all to know that i will be thinking of you tomorrow.

  i feel your sorrow, and fervently hope the next year will bring happy changes to your family.. to those who have their families with them, i celebrate your dedication to truth and freedom, and the love you have shown your children by choosing a borg-free life.. to fathers!

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  Thanks Tal!!!
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  Happy Father's Day

  by talesin in

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  i admit it, i wanted to be the first to wish all of you guys a happy father's day.. i've been thinking about those of you who are separated from their kids, and grandkids, all week.. to you guys, especially, talesin sends her love, and wants you all to know that i will be thinking of you tomorrow.

  i feel your sorrow, and fervently hope the next year will bring happy changes to your family.. to those who have their families with them, i celebrate your dedication to truth and freedom, and the love you have shown your children by choosing a borg-free life.. to fathers!

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  duplicate..sorry
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  Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

  by patio34 in

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  michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

  heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

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  Support of Michael Moore IS IN and OF itself HATE SPEECH....my reply...NO, if you want to Bash Bush, I'll defend him. You ruined your post by supporting Michael Moore.

  Yeru,

  I generally respect your opinions, although I don't agree with them, and have never really challenged your opinions until now...but I have to say that the above statement that you made is one of the most frightening things I have heard. Since when does supporting, or agreeing with, a person who speaks out using his free speech "hate speech"?? Even though I think Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly bend the truth and spin (yes, even in the no spin zone) things, I would never call what they do hate speech, even when it was directed at Bill Clinton. Again, although I respect your service to this country, I do hope that your feelings about freedom of speech and the rights of individuals to disagree with the government are in the minority with our people in the military. If not then I fear for the future of this country.

  You have been asked many times since the beginning of this thread to point out lies that Michael Moore has told and you have been able to supply none, yet you continue to make very inflammatory statements. It would be a lot easier to have a discussion if you could back up the statements that you have made rather than continuing with the same line of reasoning that has already been refuted.

  Finally, I notice that every time that someone disagrees with the way the country is run, you see this as an "attack" or "bashing". You also appear to get very angry and defensive. What, in your opinion, would you consider an appropriate reaction when one is unhappy with their president or their government? What do you think is the right thing to do? If Bush is voted out of office it is going to be very interesting to see how you react when you see things that you do not agree with. According to your posts I would think that it would be un-American for you to say anything negative as it might be perceived as "hate speech."

  exjdub (who is sorry he had to leave the thread this afternoon because he missed a lot it seems)
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  Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

  by patio34 in

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  michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

  heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

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  You know even if people disagree, why do they get so hateful and accuse others of being anti-American, etc. I don't understand their concept of a democracy!

  Pat: That is a beautiful statement. My belief is that those who accuse others of being anti-American because of exercising the right to freedom of speech are the anti-Americans. As you said so well, it is the very concept of democracy.

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  Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

  by patio34 in

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  michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

  heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

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  As far as Yeru and LA Big Dawg's character assassination and ad hominem insults, sorry but this seems typical of the far right. To ignore a lot of the main discussion and try to anger people into a fight and then say "see? they are hateful." It's not working. Try to stick calmly to the discussion without the insults. I'd really appreciate it. If you don't have anything helpful to contribute --for either side--start your own thread please.

  Pat: I agree 100%

  This is what I find scary about this "war" on Iraq - note, on IRAQ, not terrorism. The attempt to silence dissidents, by claiming they are 'unpatriotic'.

  Tal,

  That is exactly the tactic used to shut dissidents up and for a while after 9/11 it worked. There was so much fear and anger that there was no room for questioning. Moore is right, fear has driven people to give up their privacy and their rights, even the right to question. How sad...

  Yeruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu????? The echo of your silence speaks volumes.

  exjdub
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  Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

  by patio34 in

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  michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

  heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

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  Michael Moore is a loud mouth pig who rides on the shirt tails of the freedoms others have provided for him.

  I rest my case...

  Yeru,

  Those freedoms that you yourself have unselfishly volunteered to help provide are much appreciated. That, however, does not mean that I, or Michael Moore, or anyone else for that matter, have to agree with how our government chooses to govern...that is the beauty of freedom. We can love the freedoms that are provided without agreeing with certain policies or the way that our government runs. Just because the freedoms are provided by the sacrifice of others does not mean that I (or Moore) "ride on the shirt tails of those freedoms."

  I hear this argument frequently from people who are in the military. Does the fact that you are in the military entitle you to more freedoms than those that do not serve? It seems that this is what is being said by the statements you, and others in the military, make when commenting on political matters. It sounds like because I have not served in the military that I have no voice, nor the right to speak, when it comes to disagreeing with our government's policy. If you feel this way... then I would submit to you that you do not love freedom, for freedom provides these rights. The founding fathers never said that freedom was contingent upon agreeing with the government. The founding fathers never said that people that spoke out against tyranny or who disagreed with their government were taking a "ride on the shirt tails of those freedoms." Think about it...

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  Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

  by patio34 in

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  michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

  heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

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  As for the accuracy of Michael Moore's documentaries. In a country that sues people if someone looks at them the same way, it's astonishing isn't it that no one has sued him ... unless of course it's because of the simple fact that what he says is TRUE

  That is a good point Simon. If the things Moore said are untrue they would be extremely libelous. I think you are right...that speaks for itself.

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  Dateline--Fahrenheit 911

  by patio34 in

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  michael moore is being interviewed tonight on nbc dateline @ 8 est and then he'll also be on david letterman at 11:30 est.. p.s.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/203263p-175365c.html.

  heated exchange at 'fahrenheit'?.

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  Moore could have blew the lid off this months ago but because he wanted to make a buck he kept it to himself and did nothing.

  Cassi,

  I believe Michael Moore will make money on this movie whether he "blew the lid off" about the Iraqi torture in the movie or not. I think it has less to do with money than it does with the political timing of such revelations in connection with the upcoming election. For that I think he is a genius. I don't quite understand why this is considered a bad thing, but I am sure we will see some type of revelation from Bush before the election. My wife thinks that Bin Laden will be "captured" just before the election, but that could just be her cynical side.

  Talesin,

  I love the way you reason and you have a real knack for cutting through the retoric and bringing the point back to it's origin. In the spirit of your posts I would ask LABD to address your points instead of making general statements that have no support, other than Moore being fat, which point I think that we all would be willing to concede as factual. What about it LABD...? Go Tal!!

  It is interesting that whenever Michael Moore comes up as a topic, those that don't like him or his politics don't challenge the meat of his arguments or his revelations, it always turns into an attack. It either is a free for all about his weight, or, like last week on this board, someone will take a miniscule section of his argument and call him a liar. What's up with that? Although I think Bush is not very intelligent and he looks like a monkey, that is irrelevant and is not the reason he will not get my vote. I will not vote for him because I think he is a dangerous man and I don't agree with his politics, nor his desire to rid of us of our privacy and personal rights in order to "protect" us. I played that game already with the WTBS and I am not interested in that anymore.

  exjdub (who is a registered Independent...but is voting for Kerry just to get Bush out of office)
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  I can't believe what just happened !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Puternut in

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  i have been calling my kids for some time now.

  i am moving far away soon, and since i haven't had any contact with my daughters, i called them to let them know i was moving, and would like to say goodbye, before i flew away.

  weeks went by, as ususal, and no response.

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  Puternut,

  What great news! It was really heartwarming to see you going to bed with tears of joy instead of tears of pain this time and I hope that it is a new beginning for you and your daughters.

  Warmest Regards,

  exjdub
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  Governing Body Stories

  by GenericMan in

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  i was wondering if anybody here has any stories about members of the governing body?

  has anyone here personally met one of them?.

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  I asked him if the Gov Body could bring bach the sabbath, as I needed the rest. He didn't think it was that funny.

  They don't have a sense of humor do they confused??

  exjdub