I am going to try this on my home computer. If this works I will be thrilled. Thanks Elsewhere!
exjdub
one of the things ad blockers fail to do is block the in-page flash ads.
you know, the really annoying ones that move around the screen, play videos and even audio.
i can't stand to have some figure moving around in an ad while i'm trying to read an article... the motion in the corner of my eye is extremely distracting and annoying.
I am going to try this on my home computer. If this works I will be thrilled. Thanks Elsewhere!
exjdub
i received good news from my daughter, it was amazing to her, but she informed me that she met an old friend from a congregations we attended 10 years ago, and the upshot was that the friends partents no longer attended meetings.
he her dad had been an elder the last i talked with him, he had left the congregation we were in due to the attitude of other elders there, went to a new congregation and the last i heard was very happy there.
we had had conversations about various aspects of the supposed truth and he always tried to counsel me about the troooth as spouted by the pharasies then.
Also...
It would be interesting to see your reaction if Wiccans, Athiests, Pagans, Non-Christians, etc. posted on the thread and said that they sure hoped the elder who stopped attanding meetings made sure that he explored beliefs other than Christianity, now that he is free of the JW's. I think you would be singing a different tune.
Would you have viewed those comments as "believers...making their comments to their fellow believers."? Why do the Christians on the board want exclusivity? Why are the Christians so sensitive about comments made in connection with their beliefs? If Jesus has made an impact on your life and you have joy, I am happy for you. Why can't you rejoice that others have found another way?
exjdub
i received good news from my daughter, it was amazing to her, but she informed me that she met an old friend from a congregations we attended 10 years ago, and the upshot was that the friends partents no longer attended meetings.
he her dad had been an elder the last i talked with him, he had left the congregation we were in due to the attitude of other elders there, went to a new congregation and the last i heard was very happy there.
we had had conversations about various aspects of the supposed truth and he always tried to counsel me about the troooth as spouted by the pharasies then.
Seems to me........after reading this post........that the believers were making their comments to their fellow believers.
Then the pot got stirred by the unbelievers who always seem to try to get the edge on a great upbuilding post.
Does sticking your nose into something good.......trying to make it look bad make you feel good?
I agree with the person who said that if you put God down in your post JW days........then you most likely put him down when you were a JW.
Do your own thing guys, but don't put us believers down when all we are doing is trying to upbuild one another.
Find a thread with other unbelievers to espouse your non-beliefs.
HappyDad
HappyDad,
Sorry...but I have to throw the Bullsh*! flag. The comments from the "believers" were off topic, were made in an open forum, and were addressed respectfully. So why would you have a problem with them?
the pot got stirred by the unbelievers who always seem to try to get the edge on a great upbuilding post.
No..the pot got stirred by the "believers." If you would like to make upbuilding comments, and not preach, then send PM's to each other. Again, if you are going to preach on a public forum, be prepared for comments. Part of the experience.
I agree with the person who said that if you put God down in your post JW days........then you most likely put him down when you were a JW.
That is complete crap and couldn't be farther from the truth. But if it makes you feel better for saying it, then have at it. I don't see much difference between your statements on this thread and statements made by JW's. They are based upon your prejudice and ignorance of people's lives and current situations. exjdub
this article must have been discussed at some point.
i don't want to repost, so if anyone has a link to it, could you please post it.
8 spiritual light continued to shine throughout the first century.
The spiritual instruction presented at our meetings is an important way that Jehovah provides enlightenment today.
Why would Jehovah ever present incorrect "enlightenment" at the turn of the century?
True, at present we see some aspects of God's purpose "in hazy outline." But when God's due time arrives, we will see the truth in all its beauty, provided that our feet have remained firmly planted on "the path." In the meantime, may we exult in the truths that Jehovah has made plain, awaiting enlightenment on those that are not yet clearly understood.
Why would Jehovah have his purpose "in hazy outline" when we are supposedly in "the last days"? Would it not be more important than ever to have a clear outline? Also, the explanation from the JW's that the reason all was not revealed at the beginning of the century was because the Bible Students wouldn't be able to handle having everything revealed at once is ridiculous. The stupid reasoning the WTBTS uses is so hokey when I read it now. Too bad I didn't see it before I wasted 35 years in the Watchtower mind prison.
exjdub
this article must have been discussed at some point.
i don't want to repost, so if anyone has a link to it, could you please post it.
8 spiritual light continued to shine throughout the first century.
She compared witnesses with scientists. She said that since scientists change things when they learn more, witnesses can too.
That reasoning is so infantile. Scientists gather information and report findings based on what they find, see, hear, smell, etc. When tests and knowledge improve with new technology they do change their opinions based upon new information. The difference is they don't claim to be guided by Holy Spirit, nor do they claim to be God's earthly representative. If you are going to claim that you are God's representative and that you are guided by Holy Spirit, you can't then claim to have "new light" when your original doctrine has been proved wrong.
exjdub
i wish to remove myself from the tms.
i can't stand it any longer.
i am never out in service (i still turn in "informal" time) i still attend the meetings.
The other way is to skip the meeting the night of your talk. They don't like it, but then you could offer up the anxiety defense and all will be forgiven. Do that a couple of times and they will stop scheduling you. It is a passive way to the same goal.
exjdub
i am 26 , i was baptised at 12 (way to young to make that choice) df'd at 13, reproved at 16, and then finnally df'd for good at 19. i have been forced to leave behind my family and friends, but other than that have never been happier.
i just found this board and i am very happy i have, it is great councelling, and look forward to many great discussions.
thanks in advance!!!
Smoking ciggarettes, vandalizing, oral sex, masturbation, r rated movies, and drinking... I was the ringleader I guess....You know what they say Bad association spoils useful habits...LOL
But what did you do to get disfellowshipped?? LOL!
Welcome to JWD KO, I hope you enjoy it.
exjdub
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyd70gw-vkg.
That was hilarious!
every so often, i can get seriously irritated with jehovah's witnesses!
especially my daft as a brush parents.. one of my children has just moved in with his girlfriend.
they're a lovely couple, both adults and happy with eachother.
He then showed me the article and told me that people have no morals nowadays and do 'anything' just as Jesus said they would in the 'last days'.
Funny how they always turn this toward other people when they should apply it to the Dubs that are still in the Borg. The number one disfellowshipping offense is for "immorality." How do they explain that?
exjdub
this thread was going to be about the true church.
but i simply changed the title.
okay ... so my experience thread set the stage for what seems to be a need to debate catholicism ... maybe because in the minds of many, there is a comparison to the watchtower ... a comparison which i believe is false.
That's a little disingenuous. I come at this as someone who claims a living relationship with someone, rather than a religious heritage. I didn't accept Christianity out of either fear or a need for comfort! Further, I'm not that unique, in this regard.
Not disingenuous, just an opinion.
Ross, I respect the fact that you claim to have a personal relationship with Christ and I would not attempt to convince you otherwise. I just always find it interesting when someone says they have a personal relationship with an entity that is surrounded by so much mystery and confusion and then offer up the bible and Christianity as the only way to life after death (not that you have said this categorically, however as a group I believe this is the general consensus of Christians)
I think you might see if from a different perspective if someone were to start a thread about extra terrestrials and a debate ensued about the history and succession of aliens down to our day by a group of people who all felt that we should accept the aliens as our guides and spiritual advisors. Although you may accept that an individual claims to have a personal relationship with the alien, or aliens, I think you might raise an eyebrow if the group were to debate how to worship the aliens properly and that the only way to life everlasting is to submit to the aliens. It all seems so arbitrary and subjective.
To watch a group of people, who claim to have had a personal experience with Christ, debate apostolic succession and bible verse just seems to be a futile exercise because there never seems to be any agreement amongst the group, other than to state the "we are all bound by love and a belief in Christ."
I have had some "enlightening" (for the lack of a better word) through meditation and exploration that is very powerful and profound. But I wouldn't try to state for one moment that everyone should accept what I say as the way to life everlasting. I also would not feel that anyone that did not believe as I did is going to miss out on some wonderful experience at the "right hand of God".
I think any time you start out with a premise that acceptance of a certain entity as the only way through the door of "life everlasting" you have already limited yourself. This seems to be the downfall of many Christians. They just can't let go of the concept that they have the only doorway to life.
exjdub