if he's guilty, i say that his punishment should be to be buried alive in one of the mass graves full of people he murdered.
he can think about what he's done then, till his last breath.
makes me wish there was a hell, for monsters like that man.
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by Englishman inthere is only so far you can go in inflicting just punishment upon an evil person.
yet how evil is someone who has murdered one person in cold blood, compared to someone who is guilty of genocide?
the crime of murder is heinous in itself, but does the fact that someone may be responsible for millions of deaths make the crime of multiple murder a million times worse than the person who kills only once?
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Female Molesters
by L_A_Big_Dawg indriving home yesterday, i happened upon the tom leykis show.
what caught my attention was that he spoke of a 43 year old woman that was convicted of molesting a 13 or 14 year old boy.
she only got 6 months jail time, 10 years probation, and had to register as a level 1 sex offender (the lowest in that particular state).
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Fleur
This probably would'nt be on the news if she did the same thing, but was stubid, ugly and fat.
i think if she were ugly and fat, it would get even MORE press, they'd portray her as the monster she is then. they were showing her wedding films from last year on today this morning. WHY? why show her all beautified and in a white gown?
i felt so sorry for her husband...sorry beyond words. just like for mary k 's kids and husband. people forget that she had a child, daughter wasn't it, or was it a son? only like 2 years younger than the boy she molested!
and how the hell they let her get pregnant by him a second time, nothing but sheer stupidity.
the steven staynor case has haunted me, and will haunt me always. the mary kay case, just as much so.
i think that no chance of parole, and also castration/sterlization would be a good punishment too.
but thats just me. can you tell i have no tolerance for sex with minors?
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23 yr old female teacher arrested for sex with 14 yr. old boys
by wednesday inhttp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628042teach1.html
that is a link to the smoking gun.
the entire story is there.i read the arrest report.
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Fleur
"my doc says 'fantasies are for free".
just another list of quotes to add to my ever growing list of why i hate therapists.
fantasies are free i suppose you could say that, JUST as long as no one acts on them to the detriment of others. then, they certainly are not free. and NOT all fantasies people have are normal, sorry.
as to the forced submission thing, hey, what you fantasize about is your business.
speaking only for myself i have never had a rape fantasy and personally think that it's a big misnomer that 'most' women do. but i will leave that discussion here because that is not what this thread is about. if you have a problem with me taking issue with your statement...well, sorry. but it was your statement, not a therapist who was here saying it. that is why i took issue with you saying it people are still allowed to have an opinion here, or did that change when i wasn't looking?
taking the same issue of fantasy and turning it to the topic at hand, I don't believe any normal person would ever fantasize about having sex with a child. Fantasies of sex with children are NOT normal and should NOT be considered "free". this teacher must have, because fantasies can, and do, lead people to act on them.
this woman obviously thought about it before just doing it. i don't believe it just happened out of the blue one day. thought started it, and she let her body follow.
she should be crucified. just the sight of her smug expression makes me nauseated.
l a dawg...i'm p***** right off with you.
discussions like this make me NUTS. i do not get how people reason.
sounds like a hell of a lot of justification going on to me.
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Female Molesters
by L_A_Big_Dawg indriving home yesterday, i happened upon the tom leykis show.
what caught my attention was that he spoke of a 43 year old woman that was convicted of molesting a 13 or 14 year old boy.
she only got 6 months jail time, 10 years probation, and had to register as a level 1 sex offender (the lowest in that particular state).
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they shouldn't be treated any differently under the law, male or female, that's my position.
if a person is over 18 and has sex with a minor, regardless of their 'consent' (if 18 is the age of consent in that state, isn't it 17 in some?) it's illegal whatever you or they may call it.
everyone should just keep their freaking pants on and hands to themselves when it comes to people under 18? is that so hard to do? geezuz!
for some people, like that mary kay lunatic, i guess so :(
my husband, whom i had met on the 'net and known online for a couple years before meeting in person; i knew he was in college, etc, but he looked so young at 20 that before i laid a hand on him, i checked his id. no, i am not lying. i had just turned 26 at the time. he had a very youthful face, and i was taking no chances. even though i had been corresponding with his parents and knew his age and his whole family knew how old i was. i still wanted to see his id.
totally different situation, but i was taking no chances.
i was a girl who looked a LOT older than her age when i was younger. but no matter how old i looked, that wouldn't have given anyone the right to take advantage of me.
and i used to wonder why all the nice boys i met at assemblies when i was a teen disappeared so rapidly. then my sister told me 'they just found out that you were 14 in a 19 year old body.' now i look back at pictures of myself and think, god will my daughter look like that at 14? get me a potatosack to dress her in, pronto.
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23 yr old female teacher arrested for sex with 14 yr. old boys
by wednesday inhttp://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0628042teach1.html
that is a link to the smoking gun.
the entire story is there.i read the arrest report.
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please be aware that i read up thru page 5 of this thread before replying, so i may be repeating what someone else said later, i don't know. wanted to throw my thoughts in there before i forget what they are:
"LA u may have offended French, but u are not wrong. I have been in therapy for years and worked in psych area, and women do have rape fantasy. Not of rape that involves being actually brutalized rape, but of being forced to have sex. so perhaps forced sex is a better way to put it. Therapists say it a way of not assuming the blame for sex-somone forced u. Also, it makes some women aroused. "
i just have to respond to this...THIS woman has never had a rape fantasy, period. being subdued or restrained or 'forced' does NOT appeal to me at all. and i'm sorry but i find "being forced to have sex" the same thing as being "brutalized rape." so i don't believe, no matter what your personal experience in therapy is, that all, or dare is say it, even MOST women have this fantasy.
someone asked why god made people to be functioning sexually so young, well how the hell should i know? id on't think it/he/she did cause i don't believe in the big Sky daddy. i do know this: in parts of the world where girls are forced to have sex at young ages and get impregnated by grown men, they are DYING or being RUINED FOR LIFE by being torn in two by the babies! Don't believe me? check this URL, be warned it is NOT pretty! http://www.fistulahospital.org/
there is a doctor who has worked for years at a tiny hospital trying to literally sew these girls back together after their bodies are rent nearly in two by stillborn babies because they are TOO SMALL TO BIRTH THEM. so to me, NO loving god would put a young girl in that position, period. it should not be able to happen.
to me with this issue, i think that if the teacher had been UGLY that people would be saying "shame on her! how dare she do that!" just because she happens to be blonde and buxum i think that no jury of men will convict her. hell, even the women might go easy on her. HER LOOKS do NOT make what she did right!
minors cannot give consent, period. whether he's scarred for life, doesn't matter to me one bit.
she should go to jail, maximum sentence. let her watch her beauty fade as she works in prison and rots there for what she's done.
whether or not it was 'rape', it was against the law, and she should go to prison just as she would if she'd been a MALE teacher and it was a female student!
with the few exceptions, its really disappointing how this thread seems to be drawn down along gender lines. i guess i will never really understand most men, not if i live to be 100. I just don't get the way they think.
fleur
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My Brother Begged Me To Come Back To Jehovah & His Organization!!!
by minimus ini recieved a 7 page "note" from my brother and his wife pleading with me to come back to jehovah god and his organization.
he said the devil was after me and my family and that the results will be disastrous unless i come back to "jehovah's protective custody".
also, it was strongly implied that unless my family went back to meetings and went out in field service, most jws, including family members would not attend my daughter's wedding and reception.my wife, daughter and i have been overtaken by the devil, according to him.
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[quote] Sad to say, my brother believes he's doing right. The tone of his letter is to try to appeal to me. He sincerely feels I must be talked to so as to get some sense knocked into me. He feels I've led my family to a course of death. When you've been out of it for a while, you can see how sad of a religion this really is.[/quote] oh, min, i am so so sorry. i've been in a pretty dark cave myself the past few weeks but reading this i had to drag myself out and post. don't you just love how their 'love' comes with a price? that returning to 'jehovah' is so important that all other reasons, love, and family ties go out the freaking window and it just becomes a big old emotional blackmail issue? as in "if you don't come back to jehovah we won't come to your daughter's wedding". like they'd come anyway? is your daughter marrying a jw? just curious, cause if she isn't, then they would use that as the reason not to go to the wedding! they will find a reason, one that suits their need of getting you and your wife and daughter back into the realm of propriety; which is really just CONTROL. they can't control you, and its freaking them out. but they will have to live with it. how, i don't know. i know it's literally driving my sister crazy that i will not come back. she's gone off the deep end the other way, is a superduperpioneer now more Superfine spiritual Grade A Elders Wife than she ever was before. but she's the one with the miserable marriage, soul so empty that no amount of food, booze, or shopping can fill it, and the one who is depriving herself of years of time with me and my child which can never be replaced. maybe i'm the one who has 'gone to the devil' but i'll tell you this much, she's the one living in hell. i pity her, and i pity your brother, too. and i'm sorry it's come to this, no matter how long you've been out, or how prepared you think you are, this stuff still hurts. i'm sorry, just so so sorry. if i replied to him at all, i would tell him that my faith in god was not the issue (if thats true, now me, i can't say that, i'm agnostic!) and that he will always be my brother, and my door will be open. i would say that i would love to see him at the wedding, but that i wouldn't want him to violate his christian concience, so he must do what he must, and you will do what you must. that's just what i'd say. keeping your cool, and just speaking it that plainly, will at least make him think. maybe not now, but someday. hope it won't dampen the happy occaision too much for you :( essie
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It's Time to Find New Vistas
by Farkel ini cannot compete with threads anymore.
they beat me!
threads about pit bulls and other dogs and virginity get all the attention.
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to you all:
Nonsense! I don't believe I made a single bit of difference, at least in the long run. I waved my hands and yelled a lot, but I only helped a few souls out of that nonsense.
In short, I failed. My music is my only redemption in this life. I'm pretty good at that.
Farkel"
farkel, you have to me. your posts made a huge difference to me and i have learned a LOT from you in the past 4 years. it is discouraging, i know. people who are out would rather talk about drugs and sex and that's not me, and not cause i'm still harboring jw values...it's just not me. i understand your frustration, i totally relate to it. why do you think i don't spend hours writing essays to post here anymore? i could. but i don't, because i know that it'll be gone in two minutes and no one will even see it. hugs, and thanks for all you personally have taught me. i still consider you the great jedi master. so many others who used to be at H20 too posted such...meaty stuff. it helped me cast off the bonds so much more quickly. not all gen x-ers are like you think...i'm gen x. hugs, essie
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Quick Poll: Do you have a sense of Humor?
by Crazy151drinker in.
c) what is humor .
d) no, i use protection
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yes, i do. his name is stan, he lives in my closet, and he only talks to me.
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So What The Hell Are You?
by shamus inaccording to dubdom, what are you?
i am a lame weakass lamb who goes on apostate websites who faded.
in the real world i am free from mind control.
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i'm the devil incarnate, according to my family.
they put a nice big scarlet A on me when i divorced my abusive husband, and then after the divorce was legally final, slept with another. hell, i likely would have waited to sleep with him until he married me, except my ex made himself plain that he expected to be "free to remarry" sooner than later and i believe in putting safety first.
i'm df'd in their book.
in mine, i'm the first person in four generations of my family to finally be free...and i'm making sure they don't get their hands on my own contribution to the fifth generation.
reports of my becoming a crack whore are greatly exaggerated LOL.
fleur
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My Grandad died this morning
by Simon inthe last grandparent i had died this morning.. .
he was such a great guy.
was in the raf in wwii and went to iraq and other places but didn't really talk much about the war.
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simon, my deepest sympathies.
my dearest granddad died more than 20 years ago now...but i still miss him desperately. he left a hole that no one else can fill.
i will keep you in my thoughts, i am so, so sorry.
((((((((simon))))))))
essie