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  Worth your time, please read.

  by Fleur in

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  sometimes it takes a child to cut through the beaurocratic nonsense and get to the heart of the matter.. http://cuddletheorphans.com/index.htm?sub=article&id=27.

  hearing this child read her book...be prepared.

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  Fleur

  Sometimes it takes a child to cut through the beaurocratic nonsense and get to the heart of the matter.

  http://cuddletheorphans.com/index.htm?sub=article&id=27

  Hearing this child read her book...be prepared. You will need tissues.

  ~essie
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  MY MOTHER HAS DIED

  by badboy in

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  she died friday night and was buried yesterday.. i feel sad.

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  Fleur

  Oh, I am so sorry.

  One month ago today I lost my grandmother, who, emotionally, has always been my mother.

  I am not sure where she is now. But I do know that in the last month the thing that has brought me the most comfort was when people told me that they could see some of the good things about her in me.

  She lives on in me. Your mother's best qualities live on in you too, Badboy.

  I hope that thought will bring you some comfort in your sorrow. I am sure that she loved you very, very much.

  (((((((((((badboy)))))))))))

  hugs,

  esmeralda
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  Another "Brother" Murders his family!!!

  by ohiocowboy in

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  this is happening so often now, it is getting very sickening.

  http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-harvey01.html.

  family of three murdered in harvey .

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  Fleur

  Oh the baby was so beautiful.

  This monster killed his OWN mother too in this mess.

  Completely senseless. Why the baby, why the baby???

  *tears*

  Yet another thing to make me believe that there cannot be a god who loves mankind.
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  Another "Brother" Murders his family!!!

  by ohiocowboy in

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  this is happening so often now, it is getting very sickening.

  http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-harvey01.html.

  family of three murdered in harvey .

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  Fleur

  I can't help but think that maybe, just maybe this poor woman was encouraged by the elders to try to "work things out" with her spiritual head. I can't prove it of course, but all of us who were once JWs know exactly how that scenerio could have played out.

  oh yes! I bet they did! They probably told her to "be a better wife and pray more" which is what they told ME.

  And my family wonders why I did things exactly the way I did. They have no freaking clue.

  This woman had gotten an apartment, sounds like she was trying to get her life together. It's just so sad...
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  Another "Brother" Murders his family!!!

  by ohiocowboy in

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  this is happening so often now, it is getting very sickening.

  http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-harvey01.html.

  family of three murdered in harvey .

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  Fleur

  Not again :(
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  Selling it at funerals too!

  by wizedup in

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  my husband has an outline for a funeral talk from when he was an elder.

  it instructs the speaker, "this talk should provide a fine witness concerning the truth, rather than unduly eulogizing the deceased.".

  how's that for licking the plate clean?.

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  Oh, Myself, I am so sorry to hear about your friend (((((((((hugs))))))))). Another Df/suicide...that makes my blood boil!!! I have some experience with this myself, so hearing about another one gets me riled up.

  Sounds like they gave your friend the standard JW funeral. Pathetic. They turn everything into a freaking infomercial.

  About the 'survived by' thing... I was surprised they included me in the number of grandchildren that my grandmother was survived by on the little handout from the memorial talk. But my mom was ticked that they were planning on shunning me at the funeral and she took the thing and made a notation: she crossed out the number and subtracted me, and also subtracted my child who was the only great-grandchild. She did it to be symbolic that if they weren't gonna talk to me, they can't put me in the count. I wonder if in the end she had the guts to hand it to my uncle like she said she wanted to. She said if they didn't have me they didn't get my kid. I thought that was pretty good thinking for a "loyal" dub.

  Ready to listen to your rant whenever you're up to giving it (((((((myself)))))))

  ~essie
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  Selling it at funerals too!

  by wizedup in

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  my husband has an outline for a funeral talk from when he was an elder.

  it instructs the speaker, "this talk should provide a fine witness concerning the truth, rather than unduly eulogizing the deceased.".

  how's that for licking the plate clean?.

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  Friends" and elders now started making comments about over-grieving and time to move on and have faith in the new system and ressurection from the platform.

  I remember her crying about the comments made to her in the ladies room. I hugged her and told her ,"Don't let ANYONE tell you how long you should grieve. You take as long as you need too."

  SOOOOO uncompassionate these people are.!!!!

  OMG! those inexcusable b!!@*!&!

  You know, the talk being a recruiting tool is one more reason that I didn't go to my grandmother's 'memorial'. I would find no comfort in that, and I certainly don't need them to tell me how extraordinary she was.

  She deserved better.
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  My grandmothers very ill....

  by MelbaToast in

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  my only living grandma is in icu right now.

  apparently she had a colonoscopy about a week before thanksgiving and was released to go home.

  they cut out 11 polyps, but the 12th one was too big to cut out.

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  I'm so sorry. I just went through this recently with my own dear grandmother, it hurts so bad.

  I hope she makes it through.

  big hugs ((((((((melba))))))))))

  love,

  essie
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  Would like to introduce myself

  by jwNOT in

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  i am so grateful to have found this site.

  i got so excited reading everyones posts.

  i was raised a jw up intil i was around 13 or so.

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  Fleur

  Welcome! There are many who can relate to what you have been through...I hope that you find comfort and healing here. You are among people who will truly understand as only others effected by this cult can!

  hugs,

  essie
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  Why ? Why? WHY???

  by rune in

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  this topic has been rolling around in my head for some time.

  i don't expect that i'll write it perfectly as it needs to be articulated in different ways for different people...but i will do my best.

  and worst of all, i am not expecting any kind of response that will satisfy me.

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  Fleur

  Another Amen over here too.

  Especially for this:

  It drives me crazy wonder why people spend time on these things, discussing which Angel is similar to what biblicar figure, when they are both characters in a book and if there was another holy book everyone believed in that was written a few millennia ago that said Bozo the Clown was a holy figure, then everyone would be arguing or questioning his similarity to other figures in history and his meanings of what he said etc too. What's the deal? Do people ever grow out of being children and just leave the belief in fairy tales behind or what? It seems not.

  I said something identical the other night to my husband after my family was giving me the "return to the flock" lecture before saying they would continue to shun me at my own grandmother's funeral. I asked my husband why it is that grown adults need to continue believing in these fairy tale doctrines that god is going to bring the perfect world to them instead of trying to make their lives better themselves in the meantime? Convenient in a way isn't it? Removes all responsibility for their own happiness from them.

  I don't know if I articulated that properly but the point I'm trying to make I guess is that your post was great. You know, if people believe in something and it comforts them or brings joy to their life, good for them. I just wish that they could respect that I don't share that desire. But it never works out that way.

  ~essie