Posts by Fleur

Interestingly it says I'm a mastermind, which surprised me because every more-indepth test I've ever taken of this sort confirms my 'Idealist/Counselor (INFJ) ' in the meyers/briggs/Keirsey-ian school of thought.

I love these tests.

essie

14

...if the WTBTS Banned Liquor...

by BabaYaga in

there are those who had perfectly acceptable blood-transfusions way back when, and those who smoked before that ban.

things that were once fine become verboten.

of course them banning liquor is particularly difficult to imagine, as all of the in-depth accounts of bethel depict bethelites imbibing like crazy.

Fleur

Then there was the time that my PO FIL got so drunk that he and another elder started telling judicial committee stories at a huge family get-together. . .most of the others sat there and listened to the gossip.

I left the room, trying to keep my dinner down and stayed outside, by myself, the rest of the night asking myself how the hell these people qualified to be ministers of anything, to anyone.

essie

14

...if the WTBTS Banned Liquor...

by BabaYaga in

there are those who had perfectly acceptable blood-transfusions way back when, and those who smoked before that ban.

things that were once fine become verboten.

of course them banning liquor is particularly difficult to imagine, as all of the in-depth accounts of bethel depict bethelites imbibing like crazy.

Fleur

usually"? Really? So at least 6 out of 10 bodies of elder have a "substantial drinking habit"?
C'mon.

They did in every congregation I went to growing up.

Seeing some of them polishing off the wine in the library after the memorial was a sight to behold. After all, wouldn't want to waste it right?

Smelling it on their breath at meetings any given night was also a joy.

JW's have huge drinking issues. All you have to do is go to any JW wedding with an open bar- and you'll see that. I've been to 'worldly' weddings with open bars that looked like the local senior citizen center by comparison.

Then there were the 'going away to Bethel" parties where the elders were heard saying one phrase over and over- "Need another brew, Bro?" *gag*

One time when I was a child, an elder who had had a few too many put his foot into the pool, at a congregation pool party- shoe and all, to step on my head and hold me under the water. He finally stopped when I grabbed his pant leg to pull him in- but by then I'd inhaled a lot of pool water. I was just a little kid. When I came up, he was laughing he thought, in his drunken stupor that it was hilarious.

I could go on all day. But I won't cause there are a hundred other things I'd rather be doing. Alcohol abuse is rampant in the Borg and until the support people doing things like going to AA and getting real help it'll continue.

13

His House Burnt Down ...

by compound complex in

jw
friends

dearest friends:.

an npr spokeswoman stated several days ago that reporters endeavor to remain objective - detached, i inferred - when reporting the news.

the tragic news of the day was the holocaust in southern california.

Fleur

(((((((((((((((Coco)))))))))))))))))))

14

...if the WTBTS Banned Liquor...

by BabaYaga in

there are those who had perfectly acceptable blood-transfusions way back when, and those who smoked before that ban.

things that were once fine become verboten.

of course them banning liquor is particularly difficult to imagine, as all of the in-depth accounts of bethel depict bethelites imbibing like crazy.

Fleur

If anything would get the elders to turn on Mother Org, this could be it!

Boy, is that the truth (no pun intended).

I don't think your average elder body could exist without their usually substantial drinking habit.

I got so turned off by what I saw - at home and in the congregation growing up, that I still don't drink- ten years out of the org. I have had literally two glasses of wine in the past ten years- and you know, I don't like thinking about it- the smell and taste brings back bad memories to me- I just don't need booze in my life.

essie

(of the happy to be a dry county, class.)

92

STOP THE MADNESS....where is this board going?

by SnakesInTheTower in

jw
friends

i've only posted since feb 07..but i have lurked for several years prior and there was usually something interesting on the board.

as i was reading the active topics list this morning, only a couple things jumped out at me as interesting...its been this way since the dgate and tgate incidents.... i was discussing this with a long time poster via im yesterday....does it seem to anyone else that so many of the topics are ...i dont know....odd...or different than they used to be...and i dont mean that in a good way.. i miss the newbies coming on and telling us their stories.... i miss the long time posters updating us on their lives post-borg... i guess with the recent uproar, the lurkers are hesitant to become newbies (cant say as i blame them now...we probably scared them off , and maybe the vets are just as hesitant...after all, someone went 2 years with their fraud/hoax...who will believe anyone else now?

i hope this is just a temporary cycle on this board..i have read many many posts from the archives...i hope one day soon we can get back to a happy medium here.. by the way, i like the fluff threads, but these seem to be more and more sex related (maybe that word will wake someone)... yet they get all the attention....and then someone goes too far and it gets locked down by a mod and the poster restricted......(i am not a prude...just sometimes enough is enough).

Fleur

http://www.keirsey.com/handler.aspx?s=keirsey&f=fourtemps&tab=3&c=counselor

Quandry, thanks for caring enough to ask!! INFJ is my Keirsey temperament type. . .

squishy hugs

essie

92

STOP THE MADNESS....where is this board going?

by SnakesInTheTower in

jw
friends

i've only posted since feb 07..but i have lurked for several years prior and there was usually something interesting on the board.

as i was reading the active topics list this morning, only a couple things jumped out at me as interesting...its been this way since the dgate and tgate incidents.... i was discussing this with a long time poster via im yesterday....does it seem to anyone else that so many of the topics are ...i dont know....odd...or different than they used to be...and i dont mean that in a good way.. i miss the newbies coming on and telling us their stories.... i miss the long time posters updating us on their lives post-borg... i guess with the recent uproar, the lurkers are hesitant to become newbies (cant say as i blame them now...we probably scared them off , and maybe the vets are just as hesitant...after all, someone went 2 years with their fraud/hoax...who will believe anyone else now?

i hope this is just a temporary cycle on this board..i have read many many posts from the archives...i hope one day soon we can get back to a happy medium here.. by the way, i like the fluff threads, but these seem to be more and more sex related (maybe that word will wake someone)... yet they get all the attention....and then someone goes too far and it gets locked down by a mod and the poster restricted......(i am not a prude...just sometimes enough is enough).

Fleur

Fleur, please continue to post. Maybe we don't all tell each other often enough how much we appreciate hearing all the comments made. I will try to do that more. I always enjoy hearing from you.

Aww, thanks Quandry. You know I get so much more out of what I read than even posting- that's why I'm struggling so much with myself over these health issues that seem to crop up when I return to the exJW community after an absence. I don't know how to keep my BP from climbing when I read shunning threads and marriages breaking up because of the tower and kids forced to sell magazines. . .the abuse threads are a real trigger for me, I just have to learn somehow how to deflect it and not take it in.

I'm INFJ. It's hard. I'm still trying. I can lie to myself mentally but my body won't let me get away with that anymore :(

(((((((((((((((((Quandry)))))))))))))))

thanks again

essie

92

STOP THE MADNESS....where is this board going?

by SnakesInTheTower in

jw
friends

i've only posted since feb 07..but i have lurked for several years prior and there was usually something interesting on the board.

as i was reading the active topics list this morning, only a couple things jumped out at me as interesting...its been this way since the dgate and tgate incidents.... i was discussing this with a long time poster via im yesterday....does it seem to anyone else that so many of the topics are ...i dont know....odd...or different than they used to be...and i dont mean that in a good way.. i miss the newbies coming on and telling us their stories.... i miss the long time posters updating us on their lives post-borg... i guess with the recent uproar, the lurkers are hesitant to become newbies (cant say as i blame them now...we probably scared them off , and maybe the vets are just as hesitant...after all, someone went 2 years with their fraud/hoax...who will believe anyone else now?

i hope this is just a temporary cycle on this board..i have read many many posts from the archives...i hope one day soon we can get back to a happy medium here.. by the way, i like the fluff threads, but these seem to be more and more sex related (maybe that word will wake someone)... yet they get all the attention....and then someone goes too far and it gets locked down by a mod and the poster restricted......(i am not a prude...just sometimes enough is enough).

Fleur

For those of you who don't feel like they belong to any of the cliques well I've been here a long time and still can't find the right clique

Lee and Scully, I've never fit in here either- or on any of the boards. Most of my threads in the past were largely ignored- with a small and changing group of people who would comment- but I often wondered why I posted any 'heavy' stuff to try to help people when the fluff blew it all away back ten pages by an hour after it'd been posted. Same still holds. I'm facing another problem that I don't know how to deal with when it comes to the forum. I've only been back a couple days- and after reading here- my physical health is literally starting to suffer. My BP is way up. My migraines are back. Other signs of stress are making themselves apparent- and they crop up after I've been reading here. I want to stay around. I want to help the newly outs. I want to keep in touch with the people that I have come to know and care about here. But how do I do that if my body just won't tolerate the JW exposure anymore? My mind says, buck up and just deal with it. My body is warning me in no uncertain terms that it's not good for me. I don't want people to think I'm a flake (maybe too late LOL) or worse that I don't really care. But if my body is rebelling- then what? As far as the board itself it definitely is cyclical. Like all things in life. I've got another issue too- my daughter has been trying to read over my shoulder- and there is stuff about my life that she is not ready to know- may never be. It's really hard to keep anything from her anymore- she's too smart. Now what!?! love to all essie