Posts by Fleur

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What First Stumbled You?

by glitter in

jw
friends

what was the very first thing that "stumbled" you?

mine was: i was about 5 or 6 years old and of course i used to find it really hard to find things in my bible at meetings (couldn't find the books quick enough before they moved onto the next paragraph and used to get frustrated).

i had the idea to make little tabs for the edges of the pages so i could tell where the books were - so i asked mum to help me neatly write out the book names on tiny slips of paper and tape them inside.

Fleur

my GOD! it just gets worse! he was deleted for...and then because he...oh god.

I literally think I'm going to be sick!

but oh, confucious, i'm so glad he knew how much you loved him, i am certain that was what the lunch was about. i can only imagine that you wish you could have known what he was planning to stop him, i hope so much that you don't carry any guilt over that. he knew what he was doing, though it was a very sad choice, he made it and i'm so sorry for all it cost you, and him and his family.

i just don't know what to say except i am so sad. i wish i could've told both the men i cared about who committed suicide beforehand that i loved them. maybe it wouldn't have made any difference. but there would have been comfort in knowing they knew.

i think one of them did, the more recent suicide. but he was doing the 'right' thing, shunning me and not speaking to me.

look where doing the right thing got him; a far too early grave.

i will remember your friend, and your pain.

this is JUST another reason on my LONG list of reasons I will NEVER be a Jehovah's Nazi again! (and i apologize in advance if that phrase offends anyone, it's the only one that fits in my mind right now. murderers. so many of them have blood on their hands, makes me wish i believed there was a god who would exact vengeance on them for it.

but i don't.

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What First Stumbled You?

by glitter in

jw
friends

what was the very first thing that "stumbled" you?

mine was: i was about 5 or 6 years old and of course i used to find it really hard to find things in my bible at meetings (couldn't find the books quick enough before they moved onto the next paragraph and used to get frustrated).

i had the idea to make little tabs for the edges of the pages so i could tell where the books were - so i asked mum to help me neatly write out the book names on tiny slips of paper and tape them inside.

Fleur

oh my god.

that has to be one of the worst things i have ever heard. sadly, i have absolutely no doubt it happened exactly as you say.

i too have lost people i loved in the jws to suicide. one was a 'perfect' pioneer that i worshipped from afar, and last year, a dear old friend who was df'd and 8 weeks later killed himself. if only i'd known he was df'd, i would have reached out to him. he wouldnt' have had to be alone. i wrote long posts about both of them under my old username, i would bump them if anyone wanted to read them, if they're still here. or i can repost.

i'm so sorry, just so sorry beyond words.

i remember after my perfect pioneer committed suicide, the only person who gave me a shoulder to cry on and any understanding was a guy i worked with, who happened to be gay and had lost a lot of friends to suicide. i don't know what i would've done without his support.

it really speaks of the strength at your core as a human being that you made it through that day. you must be an extraordinary person. your friend was lucky to have had your friendship.

(((((confucious))))))

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What First Stumbled You?

by glitter in

jw
friends

what was the very first thing that "stumbled" you?

mine was: i was about 5 or 6 years old and of course i used to find it really hard to find things in my bible at meetings (couldn't find the books quick enough before they moved onto the next paragraph and used to get frustrated).

i had the idea to make little tabs for the edges of the pages so i could tell where the books were - so i asked mum to help me neatly write out the book names on tiny slips of paper and tape them inside.

Fleur

oh GOD, confucious! ((((((((((confucious))))))))))

i think i'd have hauled off and punched him.

***hole.

this thread is just so sad. the stuff they put on little kids esp...i have a few stories of my own in that regard.

the b*stards!

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Would You Have Ever Let Your Child Die & Refuse A Blood Transfusion?

by minimus in

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friends

i'm sure that i would've, believing that jehovah god would be proud of me.

Fleur

oh, Balsam. i can't stop crying right now :( i am so, sorry about Dak. its just not fair, no one should ever have to lose a child.

i hope with all my heart that your courage in sharing your experience here will cause some lurkers to think. to realize, to know. maybe your telling us what happened to you will help to save a life, or more than one.

thank you is all i can think to say, but that is so inadequate. i wish that i could hug you.

fleur

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What First Stumbled You?

by glitter in

jw
friends

what was the very first thing that "stumbled" you?

mine was: i was about 5 or 6 years old and of course i used to find it really hard to find things in my bible at meetings (couldn't find the books quick enough before they moved onto the next paragraph and used to get frustrated).

i had the idea to make little tabs for the edges of the pages so i could tell where the books were - so i asked mum to help me neatly write out the book names on tiny slips of paper and tape them inside.

Fleur

when i was in my early twenties, had always believed everything till then (they got me in utero, what can I say?) and they told me that the lives of my miscarried babies held no weight with god, that since they never breathed outside the womb, they were basically out of luck as far as a future life of any kind.

having lost two babies at about 10 weeks each, with hearts, brains, faces and hands and feet for gods sake, something in me snapped hearing that. it didn't follow when you consider their view that abortion is murder.

i never felt the same about the elders, or the loving god they claimed to represent after that day. something snapped, and i was out within four years after that.

out and never going back.

fleur

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Would You Have Ever Let Your Child Die & Refuse A Blood Transfusion?

by minimus in

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friends

i'm sure that i would've, believing that jehovah god would be proud of me.

Fleur

alamb, thank you, you are a gem. i knew it was out there somewhere (should've known randy would have it covered, you still da man randy!) thank you so much for saving me the search.

am printing now, will get it notorized. she should have it with her all the time, anyway.

thank you!!!!!

fleur

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Just confirmed: Marlon Brando Dead at 80...

by Michael3000 in

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friends

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it may just be getting onto news sites now.... .

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=akhdxw0q8akq&refer=us

Fleur

another of the big guys gone. man, there are so few left. damned depressing.

fleur

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Would You Have Ever Let Your Child Die & Refuse A Blood Transfusion?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i'm sure that i would've, believing that jehovah god would be proud of me.

Fleur

NO!

I would have refused one for myself, definitely. but never could i watch my child die if they could help her.

my family likes to say that blood never really saved anyone; until a couple years ago when my MIL had massive internal bleeding and had to have her volume replaced 4 times rapidly. she would definitely be gone now if not for the transfusion.

here's a question for you all: my minor daughter is supposed to go cross country for a trip with her dad later in the year. what the hell do i send with her in the way of paperwork that if there was any question, they would give her the transfusion? i know he'd say no to one for her.

any ideas as far as the proper paperwork to send along? i'm already terrified of thinking of her being that far away from me for a week and it's a ways off yet. :(

fleur

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Name a Book that is Better than the Bible

by Sirius Dogma in

jw
friends

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and more important to you than the bible.. ok, for some of us most books are better than the bible, for others the choice is more difficult.. a book that i feel has more value and wisdom than the bible is:.

the hitchhiker guide to the galaxy by douglas adams (all 5 book in the trilogy actually).

Fleur

A book that I feel has more value and wisdom than the bible is:
The Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (All 5 book in the trilogy actually)

oh, i concur. you're obviously a frood who really knows where his towel is.

i especially prefer the first book still, classic. Restaurant at the end of the universe is great for those who are ex-religious (love the messiah never showing up for his scheduled dinner appearance, love that).

i find for 'serious' reading that the Four Agreements makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than the bible does. It's a lot simpler, and i find beauty in simplicity.

i would also recommend, next time you're in the children's book section, you all check out the trilogy "click clack moo, cows that type", "giggle giggle quack" and finally the third book "Duck for president".

very, very entertaining.

Now if you'll excuse me, there seems to be a bulldozer out in front of my house...what's that you say, Mr. Prosser? You're building a bypass?

I never did get the hang of thursdays. But then isn't it friday now?

fleur

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The latest buzz phrase from Bethel

by SadElder in

have heard recently from some bethel folks that a new buzz phrase is being tossed around from the bethel breakfast table.

"jehovah and jesus are in charge so no one will ever be damaged permanently.".

guess this means elders, co's, do's, the bethel cia (aka the service department) all can do whatever they want, to whomever they want, in any manner they want, and it will be ok because jehovah will not let anyone be damaged permanently.. oh boy, here we go again.. beat the sheep with complete disregard.. dr. j

Fleur

heh heh... also... wouldn't it be fun to throw that phrase back in their faces when they start complaining about having to pay out large sums of money in "damages" to child abuse victims?? We could say: Well, didn't Brother So-and-So say that "Since Jehovah and Jesus are in charge, no one will ever be permanently damaged"?? Suck it up Brothers, the damage to your bank accounts isn't permanent!!
Love, Scully

beautiful, Scully! Reminds me of Homer Simpson, his roasted pig flying through the air after Lisa sabotages his barbeque in protest: "It's just a little airborne, it's still good, it's still good!" The pig is about to hit the ground, boys, and it's not gonna be good. The only way they will feel the 'damage' done to the flock under their tender mercies will be to drain Thy Holy Bank Accounts, that's for sure. Somehow I don't think "Jehovah" will be so quick to refill those for them. this really frosts my cookies. the "magic sky dad will wave a wand and make all the bad things that have happened go away" just doesn't fly with those of us who long since stopped believing in the tooth fairy, the divine choosing of the Governing Body and the easter bunny. We're old enough to know now that monsters aren't in our closets. They're in New York.