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  Say Something Jehovah's Witnessy........

  by minimus in

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  i know there's no such word as "witnessy" but this can be a fun thread.

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  Fleur

  We have to do things Jehovah's way. Wait on Jehovah.

  Bad associations spoil useful habits.

  *gag*
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  I went to the memorial service for Talia Balletti.

  by hubert in

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  i sent a pm to one of the forum assistants telling him this, and he said i should post and let everyone know how it went.. i didn't want to do this until mario posted first, because it's about his daughter, not mine.

  but, i know all you wonderful people out there are waiting for some news on the memorial service, and i think mario is too grief stricken to be able to write right now.

  sometimes these things hit you harder after it's all over, because now you have more time to think about it.

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  Fleur

  hubert, you really did us all proud. Thank you.

  Mario, thank you for posting and know that our hearts continue to be with you and Marina day in and day out.

  The blanket I donated in Talia's honor should be in the hands of a sick child by now. If you want any info as to which particular hospital it went to, PM me and I will tell you where it went.

  big hugs

  essie
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  Go Figure

  by redskymedic in

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  so, after browsing through this website and then taking the search for the real 'truth' about the wts into my own hands, i decided to confront my jw mother.

  i stuck with the date-changing (1914, 1975, 2000) and asked what the explanation was since i have been gone for over 10 years now.

  she was quiet for a minute, then told me there was an explanation but she would have to look it up.

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  Fleur

  aww, Red. I know how frustrating that is. I have personally given up trying to explain anything to my mother (and other members of the family who speak to me, which are very few). There's no point.

  She doesn't hear it, anyway. She said that she is sticking with the organization no matter what. I know that she doesn't know how else to live or process what happens in life. It has to go through the "Jehovah is going to fix everything " filter or she just can't handle it.

  I know, though, that on some subconcious level, she knows it's a lie. Because it's eating her alive. I'm watching her health deteriorate. She looks so much older than she is. She's so frail.

  But she would rather die 'in the truth' than live with the knowledge that it wasn't true after all. So I respect her, and no matter how she baits me, I won't discuss it with her anymore. It just makes us both feel worse.

  hugs

  essie
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  Jan 15th WT - Quiet desperation from the Governing Body

  by truthseeker in

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  the january 15th wt, "can you control your future" is the prelude to the feb 1st watchtower that contains the 2004 annual service report statistics.. .

  in the second study article (pages 15-20), the gb acknowledge the fact that people aren't paying attention to their waffle.. .

  there are some surprising statements in the last paragraph, but first, let's highlight some points in this article.... .

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  Fleur

  holy crap. That's a lot of people not publishing lol.

  Once again, Brooklyn makes it OUR fault if we can't grasp their double talk and fairy tales. If we find it hard to grasp. Give me a freaking break.

  No, WTS, we didn't find it hard to grasp. We opened our eyes and realized that lies are always harder to understand than simple truth. Our BS-ometers are off the charts.

  Hard to grasp. That happens when people tell multiple stories to cover their tracks.

  essie
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  Encouraged NOT to have kids

  by JustTickledPink in

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  i was just thinking about the publisher stats and the birth rate, that was mentioned.. do you all remember in the 80's at the assemblies everyone was encouraged not to have children, to spend their time pioneering, because at armeggedon and in the time of the "tribulation" that it would be difficult with small kids.... to wait until the new system.. i remember a couple that pioneered and she really wanted kids, so her husband made her a deal that they had to pioneer for 5 more years and if the "end" hadn't come yet, they could have kids.

  i think they were reaching 30. i do remember 5 years went by and they had a son, that was probably 15 years ago.

  can you imagine the people that followed the advice and now are too old to have kids, but spent plenty of time pioneering?.

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  Fleur

  that has been an ongoing theme since the 30's I think - Raymond Franz lists that as one of his great regrets as a witness in SoCF.

  This is something that I know was going on in the 50's...my parents were told they shouldn't marry OR have children.

  They're grandparents now, thanks to me. But none of my siblings ever had kids. Thank god they'd be horrible parents. But anyway, imagine if you followed that, and you were in your sixties now with no kids or grandkids. I know it happened to a lot of people. They must be heartbroken. Not only no retirement funds to fall back on but who will care for them in their old age? Certainly not the 'loving brotherhood'.

  This is something that disillusions my mom so much. She keeps saying "We weren't supposed to get old. Now my kids have gray hair. When it is coming?"

  And she wonders why I don't believe every word coming from the WTS.

  Talk about adding burdens to the people. Pharisees! They're dispicable.

  ~essie
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  So What Is The Point Of It All?

  by Swan in

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  we talk it to death.

  every subject.

  is it really of any benefit to you to let it out here?

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  Fleur

  Like anything else in life, it is what you make of it, and what you take away from it.

  People stay as long as they are getting something out of it, or giving something to it. For some, helping others is its own reward. Others are here because even though the discussions may seem repetitive to us, we know that it's always day 1 for someone; they're just starting the journey. We are just a bit farther down the road. For others, the pain keeps coming up fresh as day one because JW family is a constant in their lives.

  It's all about the journey. We are all seeing the same geography, but everyone sees something different in the view. I'm here to lend my voice, just in case it might help anyone out there who is listening. Hearing it myself reminds me how far I've come.

  hugs

  essie
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  How do you feel about death?

  by 3rdEye in

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  hi all, forgive me and my n00bness if this has been discussed, or if i started this thread in the wrong place.

  how does everyone feel about death,and what happens to you afterward?

  do you still believe what the wts teaches?

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  Fleur

  Oh, Roski. I am so sorry about your son. I cannot think of anything that is more unnatural or painful than losing a child ((((((((((Roski)))))))))) I hope you will find the answers that you seek.

  Bem said:

  "Essie, 'the five people you meet in heaven' is about be a tv movie or mini series. unless it has already been seen I remeber the ads for it.recently. Thanks anyway since I'm laid up I will get that book"

  The movie was very good, it did the book justice. Very emotional, it effected me deeply.

  As far as fearing death, I never have, I don't know why. Maybe because when I was little I was drilled into believing it's just a really deep sleep.

  It seemed like an alluring friend to me in my depression at many points...thankfully I didn't give in to that and I'm still here. It's a miracle in more ways than one. But that is no thanks to the religion, it made me more suicidal than anything.

  I still am not sure what to believe, so many things about death make no sense. But I'm just grateful that no one expects me to have all the answers anymore. That was pressure that no one needs, because no one can really say for certain until we get there ourselves.

  essie
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  Holy freakin crap, I finally got registered...

  by Hecklerboy in

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  hey everybody!!.

  just want to say hi and join in on the conversations.

  i've been lurking here and trying to log on for months now.

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  Fleur

  Welcome aboard! Glad you found your way here.

  ~essie
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  Being a JW Woman - Was It Really That Bad?

  by eljefe in

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  i have seen quite a few posts from many ex-jw women about how unhappy they were about male domination in congregation.

  was it really that bad?

  when i was still a jw, no one ever told me anything to that effect.

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  Fleur

  Just about every JW Elder? I've ever known pronounces "nuclear" as NEW CUE LAR.

  Need I say more

  ROFL Scully! "You can't say nuclear, that really scares me..." (a'la JibJab's "This Land" parody) hugs to all the other women who lived in fear of their 'loving' JW 'heads'. Too bad so many of those 'heads' resided so far up inside so many a$$es. I will never be subject to a man again, period. I am an equal, and any man who doesn't like that can kiss my boots as I walk out the door. And my mother thinks they're reinstate me...LOL not on your life. Interesting point too raised (welcome to the forum btw!) by heyfea about the women running the house. I knew of cases like that. My mother was one of them but she always complained that my dad never took the lead, anyway. If he'd tried to lead her spiritually she'd have mowed him over. *shudder*
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  Are you a JW Hater?

  by MelbaToast in

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  reading a topic in here, i came across a conversation regarding jehovah approved(tm) sports.

  i noticed that two of the posters were insensed at the amount of ex-jws in this forum.. they started ignoring everyone else that had put their opinion in on the subject....and decided that everyone in this forum was a jw "hater".

  i myself take offence to that, for i don't hate the jw's.

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  Fleur

  I love family and old friends, despite the fact that they are JW's. I hate the behavior that the organization enforces on them. I hate the misleading that the WTS does. I hate the WTS.

  Like Angharad said, it takes a lot of energy to hate something. I hope someday that I will find a peaceful place in which to let go of the hate. Right now, in this moment, space, and time, when I see what they have done to my family, I do still hate them.

  I'm working on that. But to me it's about hating child abuse, high control groups, and liars. It's about so much more than religion.

  I feel sorry for the JWs individually. They've been misled; and many are so sincere. Most in my family are very sincere. It's hard to hate sincerity.

  But I really do 'actively dislike' (great term, Ang!) being preached at.

  hugs

  essie