Posts by Fleur

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WOW!!! interesting response from my dad

by jaredg in

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recently my father and i have been arguing over scriptual interpretation getting nowhere so i wrote him this email to see what his reaction would be...check it out!!.

here is my email to him...maybe we should take a break from these conversations on.

interpretation of scripture.

Fleur

I, at one or two points in the past several years, considered doing just that. Mostly, for my grandmother's sake. She's gone now, so that isn't an issue, but believe me right after her death my family tried a huge campaign to use that to get me to come back. "It was grandma's dearest wish that you make things right with Jehovah." What kind of manipulative trash is THAT?!

I couldn't, though. I realized that my family would still treat my husband as an outsider, and the worst part is that it would be like giving my full endorsement for them to brainwash my child. I couldn't let my silence be agreement with the screwy things that they teach.

It's a very individual decision, of course. You have to do what you feel is best of course. If there are no kids to consider I think it's an easier choice to make...just be sure that you know that your family will really accept you if you go back and then fade. I always had the feeling that if I went back, I'd have to pioneer or the family wouldn't believe I was sincere and would continue treating me like crud.

(((((((((Jared))))))))))))

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Studies over....................sob............they dont want me...

by holly in

straight away told im not ready for baptism, not with the amount and depth of questions, that ive been warned about these sites and that apostates will do anything to knock jws.

proving its the true religion bec the bible says it will happen (shows me scriptures).

also told it doesnt happen with any other religious group - usually people just quietly leave and make no fuss - further proof that ths is the true religion.. i asked about all the dates where predictions were made, eg 1914, 1975. was told there were some articles loosly talking the 'possibility' of something happening, but the wt never said it definitely would - how could it, these are just ordinary men, not profits.

Fleur

thank you people. the worst of it is. id actually got to know this woman quiet well. id been away with her and some of her friends and family. id gotten to know a lot of people i actually liked. and a lot of the friends i had before i stopped mixing with. and now she doesnt want to see me. she was still nice to me today, even though i could see i was offending her deeply. i did that as gently as possible. even offered to show her this site. might as well of offered to call up demons........................

See, Holly, high control groups start by isolating people that they want to control and convert. Otherwise, your friends would surely be telling you that JW teachings don't make sense; and therefore JW consider them "bad associations". They also demonize any outside source of information, because they know that it will prove what they teach to be false. I'd call up those friends you had from before, and explain how JW's work at isolating you, and then draw all the support that you can from them. Believe me, in years to come as you learn more about the organization, you will come to count all this as a blessing in disguise. Welcome to you, and to all the other new folks in this thread. Glad to have you with us. hugs essie

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Active Jehovah's Witnesses - - - PLEASE READ

by nicolaou in

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an open letter to all jehovah's witnesses.

dear friend, .

what caused you to come and read the posts of so many of your former brothers and sisters who have either been disfellowshipped or have chosen to walk away from the society and the 'truth'?

Fleur

great post Nic, I missed it the first time. Thanks for bumping it, I hope the lurkers will take it to heart!

hugs

essie
(I have always been 'pro-lurker' myself!)

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Finish This Sentence....You Know you're a JW teenager If....

by doodle-v in

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during class the teacher asks "who all plan to go to college?

" and you shrink down in your seat in an effort to become invisible as everyone in the class raises their hand.

-doodle-v. your turn!

Fleur

You feel deathly ashamed for having natural teenaged desires and raging hormones.

also if your clothes look at least 20 years too old for you.

"- you're a strong witness if you tell him why "I'm a Jehovah's Witness and I don't date those outside my religion."

been there, done that! I must've seemed so snobby...honestly I wasn't :(

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Please say a prayer for us...

by morty in

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my husbands grandmother as been diagnosed with full blown ovary cancer.

they fear that she also has it in her stomach as well.

they are trying to get her to the or tonight in order to operate on her right away.

Fleur

((((((((((Morty)))))))))))) grandparents are just the best...they're supposed to live forever...

love and hugs,

essie

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Vigil for my daughter, please.

by outnfree in

as mentioned in my other thread, my daughter lena is having brainsurgery on monday, jan 24. the surgery will last 6-7 hours, so i'm hoping the board members will be willing to make a special effort tomorrow to send positive thoughts, healing energy, good wishes and prayers her way.

we are asking that the surgeon's hands be delicate and skillful and that lena does not bleed overmuch and that brain damage be minimal (if not non-existant).

surgery begins at 8 am eastern standard time (us), but we have to have her to the hospital by 6 am, so this is "good night!

Fleur

(((((((((Lena and Brenda))))))))) I am so happy to hear she'll be home soon...she is so lucky to have a great mom to take care of her like you!!!

hugs

essie

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Vigil for my daughter, please.

by outnfree in

as mentioned in my other thread, my daughter lena is having brainsurgery on monday, jan 24. the surgery will last 6-7 hours, so i'm hoping the board members will be willing to make a special effort tomorrow to send positive thoughts, healing energy, good wishes and prayers her way.

we are asking that the surgeon's hands be delicate and skillful and that lena does not bleed overmuch and that brain damage be minimal (if not non-existant).

surgery begins at 8 am eastern standard time (us), but we have to have her to the hospital by 6 am, so this is "good night!

Fleur

thanks petty, thinking of you brenda and lena!!!!

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disfellowshipping

by mamas in

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i was recently disfellowshipped for being in a same sex relationship with a female.

i understand that it is against bible standards but i do not agree with disfellowshipping in that everyone including my family has nothing to do with me.

i am 18 years old.

Fleur

Oh, 18. You're so young!

I'm a ripe old...well almost twice your age now, not quite! I was 24 when I had my first doubts about the org. and stopped going to meetings, was 26 when I was df'd for divorcing a man who treated me horribly and having a relationship with (then marrying) one who treats me like treasure.

I lost 99 percent of my family and all the people I grew up with. It's so hard leaving when you're born in; and they don't discriminate in shunning whether you leave for a straight or gay relationship; my family has called me horrible, hurtful things like 'fornicator' and 'adulteror' even though I was divorced before getting into a physical relationship with anyone.

The best thing that you can do is build a good support system; among others who truly know how you feel and the road you've walked. I can understand the shunning and df'd part of your story but I know that since I'm straight that I can't claim to understand everything you've gone through.

I hope that you will be able to truly find yourself now; so that no matter what happens, whether you're with the lady you love now for the rest of your life, or if you eventually move on to other relationships, you will know that the one option that you don't have is going back to the organization because it would mean selling out all that you are.

You can make it, be strong. It's not an easy road, but there are others a bit further down who I am sure will open their hearts, and offer their wisdom, to you to help you along.

Welcome to JWD.

hugs

essie

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High rates of depression in Org.

by chuckyy in

i noticed after being a jw for a while that many members of my congregation were having to take antedepressants.

(i counted at least 30 out of 100).

after a few years i too began to have bouts of depression and problems with anxiety.

Fleur

Welcome to the forum new folks!

Gary, those links are great, thank you I hadn't seen them before!

How could you be a JW and NOT be depressed? There is nothing about the environment, teachings, or shepherding tactics that foster well being, security, or happiness. No wonder they're all depressed.

I think that somewhere, most JW's know that they are being lied to/played by the GB and the teachings...and living a lie is a quick, short route to misery.

Only, when they have doubts, they're programmed to believe it's THEIR failing, not the cults. Devious and detestable.

~essie

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When It Snows, It's an Avalanche!

by outnfree in

as if i wasn't already completely stressed out about my daughter's upcoming brain surgery, not to mention being executrix of my mother's estate (and she left a lot of debt), i just learned the day before yesterday that my father-in-law has colon cancer, and now today.... today i learned that my 35 year old nephew, my deceased sister's only living son, is suffering from congestive heart failure.

the cardiologists have told him he only has 10% function left.

they cannot even perform a catheterization to see whether or where arteries are blocked or valves are diseased.

Fleur

((((((((((((((brenda))))))))))))))

I'm sorry things are so bad right now...thinking of you...

love

essie