Posts by Fleur

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Myspace laughs

by sinis in

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thought i'd share, .

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewthread&entryid=18651712&groupid=100447990&adtopicid=27&mytoken=d450e1b7-f932-1041-677610a20e1f4b2038119355malachi 3:3 says: "he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver...." this verse puzzled some during a book study, and they wondered what this statement meant about the character and nature of jehovah.

one sister volunteered to find out about the process of refining silver and get back to the group at the next book study.

Fleur

It is a sin. Jehovah instructed us to marry only in the lord. Dina dated the most respectable and honorable man in her region. However, he was not a worshipper of Jehovah. The result was catostraphic and fatal. Just a thought.

Oooo. Catastrophic AND Fatal? Good gracious, that's pretty bad isn't it? Too bad this kid can't even spell his own biblical reference people...unless this Dina (deena) chick is somebody I didn't learn about growing up LOL. Wow. Catastrophic and fatal. Gonna have to remember that.

I wrote the rebuttal to that 'poem' you know...http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/114763/2009043/post.ashx#2009043 somehow I don't think that those kiddies would make it much past the intro.

very sad indeed.

essie

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Confidential Elders meetings, HA!

by restrangled in

my father was and elder and i remember him coming home from elder's meetings telling my mother all.

we lived in a small house so all could hear through the heating vents what was happening at the kh.

i learned more than i ever cared to know about at a young age.

Fleur

During the 5 years I served on judicial committees no one was more surprised at a disfellowshipping anouncement than my wife. My notes never left my briefcase, which she never touched.
That being said, confidentiality was and is a big problem with JW elders. It all boils down to a telling shortcoming in that organization - lack of genuine love for so-called brothers and sisters.

Ah, see, Gregor, I knew I liked you. It's comforting to know at least some of them can keep their mouths shut. I know my grandfather was like that. He never told my grandmother anything about the elders meetings...and I should point out that she didn't ask, either...

essie

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Ooooooohhhh...My "unofficial" DA letter...yup...got it in the paper!!

by HadEnuf in

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over the years here on the forum...i have read with interest many da letters.

brave people!!

not so brave.

Fleur

Holy cow! I hear the coffee cups a dropping when people see their morning paper and read..yes...yes...mm mmm...cult, that's terrible...KINGDOM HALL??? *splat* *spit* *cough!*

Well done. I hope you find it freeing...it's a great letter.

hugs

essie

31

may i say hello?!?

by isthisit in

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hello my name is isthisit and i have a confession to make, i'm an active jw and not happy.

i am a lurker here and have to start posting.

i am 22 and have been "born and raised" as well as being 4th generation.

Fleur

Yes, most definitely say hello :)

I am sorry that you are in the situation that you are but you are very fortunate to have your education! I wonder how you got away with that being your dad is the PO (or maybe that's how you got away with it? I've seen that sometimes 'membership has its priveleges as they say) My ex's dad was the PO for years and he got away with lots of stuff...when I left, I didn't even get to DA myself. They ignored my letter and announced me as DF'd I'm sure to make an example out of me, because of who I was related to.

From your story it sounds like we have a lot in common. All I can tell you as someone who is on the path further down on the journey you're taking, is take it slow and fade if you can. I couldn't. But esp. if you're going to be traveling soon (away from family and familiar people?) then that might be your chance to start to fade and no one will realize it's happening.

It's not an easy thing to do, leaving this thing, whatever you want to call it. Especially when family roots run so deep (mine do too, generations-wise). Just know in your heart that even if the road is hard, you can get out.

Read as much as you can here and see different ways people have made their exit. Fading is the way to go if you can get away with it and you want to keep in close contact with your family. But whatever happens, know that you can survive it and have a very happy and 'normal' life on the other side of the looking glass.

hugs,

essie

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CAT or DOG - Why?

by hamsterbait in

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i am amazed at the almost complete polarization between cat and dog lovers.. .

i know few who love both.. .

cat lovers argue that cats are more intelligent than dogs.

Fleur

absolutely...they remind me of some elders wives I've known.

:)

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CAT or DOG - Why?

by hamsterbait in

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i am amazed at the almost complete polarization between cat and dog lovers.. .

i know few who love both.. .

cat lovers argue that cats are more intelligent than dogs.

Fleur

What is more, look at all the animal movies/animated films. Observe how many times the cat is the antagonist, eg. Lady & the Tramp, An American Tail.

To rebutt, Sir, I offer you Seargent Tibbs from 101 Dalmations, and all of the Aristocats LOL

I love dogs and cats. We have a cat currently and I would love to get a dog but we can't here due to our lease.

Our cat is very dog like. He will approach when called (80 percent of the time, anyway) he is not at all aloof and loves to play, he must be around us or he gets lonely, and he's definitely not sneaky. He's indoors only but he has his claws and lots of towers and such to climb on so his life is very full and happy.

He loves to watch television. He is especially obsessed with baseball. I swear, when the Ump makes a call he dislikes, he smacks at the screen like he's saying "He was safe, you idiot!"

I had a dog as a child...that's a sad story. Would love to have another someday...a dachsund or pom or maybe a little pudgy bassett...you can definitely count me as somebody who loves both cats and dogs.

Our cat wants a dog, too. His foster family had them before we got him. He always runs up to them when he sees them on tv and tries to play LOL.

essie

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Confidential Elders meetings, HA!

by restrangled in

my father was and elder and i remember him coming home from elder's meetings telling my mother all.

we lived in a small house so all could hear through the heating vents what was happening at the kh.

i learned more than i ever cared to know about at a young age.

Fleur

Stories my ex told the body of elders in our hall about me are STILL making the rounds and causing quite a commotion years later. I never told my side of the story because I was afraid he'd kill me; straight up. Even if I ever did try to get reinstated for my family (which I wouldn't, besides the only person I ever imagined attempting it for was my grandmother and she's dead now) no one would ever look at me without pointing and whispering.

they really get their kicks from this stuff. it's sick. The need to gossip points directly, in my opinion, to someone whose life is so boring that they really need to find something to do with it. I cannot stand gossip under any circumstances and have ended friendships over the other person's inability to stop doing it (about others, cause if they're talking with you about someone, then when they're not with you, they're talking about you to somebody else!)

Welcome, Amy and Happy Birthday!

essie

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Is your computer fan noisy when it gets warm ?

by JH in

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i have a pentium 4 3 ghz and the fan isn't too noisy when it's below 75 degrees f, but when it's 85 in this room ,like now, my computer sounds like a hair dryer.. anybody else has this slight problem?

Fleur

Yes, it get noisier as the day goes on and I'm none too happy about it...it's a new PC. I moved it around and gave it lots of space all around it though and that seems to be helping...if it keeps up, Dell will be getting a call.

essie

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Should you try and call an old dub friend? What if you did?

by gumby in

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ok, sunnygal inspired this one.. today i wondered what would happen if i called an old dub friend.

he's an elder.

i met him in jr. high as he was in my metalshop class and i mentioned i was a witness.

Fleur

She asked me about trying to come back, and told me she'd welcome me with open arms

Is that a stock JW phrase these days? If I had a nickel for every time my family used that phrase with me, I'd be wealthier than Bill Gates.

(((((((((Terri))))))) What you did was really, really brave. I hope that seeing how enslaved she is to the doctrine will help you to get some closure.

I had two really, really close friends in the Org. closer to me than either of my physically related sisters.

One is out. She's moved away and I only get to email/call etc...but she's out. For that I am really blessed.

The other is, by all reports, still in. I think of her all the time. She wrote me the most heartbreaking letter when she heard that I was ending my first marriage (and by extension leaving the Borg). I know she was heartbroken that I "Left Jehovah." I begged her to understand, she was one of one or two people outside my marriage who knew how bad it was.

She tried to tell me that I was the dearest friend she'd ever had in her life...but I know that she would have had me stay in the abuse to keep 'god's favor'. I know her own father was a hopeless alcoholic and her mother never left him, probably also to "keep god's favor'. I told her that it was either get out or die...and I wrote her a long letter telling her that my divorce changed nothing to me about our friendship and that I would continue to love her and that my door was always open.

She never replied. that was almost 9 years ago.

I wonder if she ever thinks of me. I heard that she had a second child, a son. I don't even know his name.

We were friends from the time were young. I just wish she could see me the way I am now, I was never happy then, and I am happy now...if she could just see and accept that there is a way to be a good and decent person and not be a JW...then maybe we'd have a prayer.

I keep hoping that someday, she'll look for me. I'm not that hard to find if you know where to look. She's the only person I hold out hope for...I know at this point my family is lost to me in the Borg :(

I often thought about writing to her. But with the way my ex completely destroyed my reputation when I left...I don't think she'd even read it.

hugs all around

essie

33

I did it. I finally graduated from College at 40 years of age.

by booker-t in

well posters i did it.

i finally got my associate in science degree from college the other day.

i was so excited.

Fleur

What phenomenal news....congratulations...I may be just one lil "aposta-babe" (frannie called me that once and I like it...) but I am proud of you and I salute you! I tip my fashionable hat to you...!

hugs

essie