Posts by Fleur

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LOVE this song!!!

by Sunnygal41 in

one love.

it's one love.

one love.

Fleur

U2's music has gotten me through a lot of rough days. Especially this one...

Walk On

And love
It's not the easy thing
The only baggage
That you can bring
Not the easy thing
The only baggage you can bring
Is all that you can't leave behind

And if the darkness is to keep us apart
And if the daylight feels like it's a long way off
And if your glass heart should crack
Before the second you turn back
Oh no, be strong

Walk on
Walk on
What you got, they can't steal it
No they can't even feel it

Walk on
Walk on
Stay safe tonight

You're packing a suitcase for a place
None of us has been
A place that has to be believed
To be seen

You could have flown away
A singing bird
In an open cage
Who will only fly
Only fly for freedom

Walk on
Walk on
What you got
You can't deny it
Can't sell it or buy it

Walk on
Walk on
Stay safe tonight

And I know it aches
How your heart it breaks
You can only take so much

Walk on
Walk on

Home
Hard to know what it is
If you never had one
Home
I can't say where it is
But I know I'm going
Home
That's where the hurt is

And I know it aches
And your heart it breaks
You can only take so much
Walk on

Leave it behind
You've got to leave it behind...

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~essie

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When a Loved One Leaves the Watchtower Society - Parody

by Scully in

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friends

when a loved one leaves the watchtower society .

(a rational re-write of the september 1, 2006 watchtower article "when a loved one leaves jehovah", by scully).

(scans of the original article can be found here: re: wt desparate: aug 15 wt- in our next issue: when a loved one leaves jehovah) .

Fleur

bttt...this is absofreakinglutely BRILLIANT, Scully. Especially love the box LOL "Because God is going to kill you!" ROFL!!!

Laughing is the only thing that keeps my brain from exploding over this article. Thank you so much.

Love you girl!!!

essie

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I came home to find my wife crying over THAT article.

by jambon1 in

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i came home today to find my wife crying whilst reading the 'when a loved one leaves jehovah' article.

its been a good few months now and i can appreciate how she feels.

but it just irritates me how my disagreeing with this religion has such a catastrophic effect on our everyday lives.

Fleur

. i got angry b/c i knew this article would open up wounds that were just starting to heal. it made me angry b/c it keeps my parents hoping that i'll come back.

You said it, Jared! All I can tell you is that I get so livid at them for stirring the pot. You know they do it on purpose to string along people and to keep them emotionally hostage. It's so sickening.

I actually warned my dad that this article is coming out..because my mother is going to be a basket case. I can only imagine how righteous and justified in her shunning my sister will feel when she reads it.

Dramamine, anyone?

essie

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all letters from the Watchtower to the body of elders up

by Dogpatch in

passing this on:

hi randy,.

i just wanted to give you a heads up (unless of course youre spearheading this operation) that all letters from the watchtower to the body of elders of worldwide kingdom halls has been posted at this link:.

Fleur

Holy cow. Man, you rock, seriously. Love ya Randy!

hugs

essie

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Would you go back if...

by 24k in

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what if the watchtower announced that they are not god's sole channel of spiritual truth?

along with this admission, would come an apology for all of the misleading and damaging predictions and past teachings.

what if they also dumped the disfellowshipping arrangement, as currently practiced, and allowed for respectful disagreement and disent, on issues such as blood transfusions and military service?

Fleur

No.

And I hate to say that I didn't even read the condition on your post..just the title.

For me it's just that simple. "Would you ever go back if..."

"No."

They got the first twenty some odd years of my life, and I want those back too!

essie

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Another XJW Graduate !

by Simon in

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i don't look quite as cool as mouthy (see: nat's gift to mouthy) but me and angharad can also proudly sport "graduate xjw university" t-shirts too .

many thanks nathan natas ... we will wear them with pride

Fleur

Okay those shirts are seriously the funniest thing I have ever seen!!!

essie

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Divorce for emotional abuse?

by somebodylovesme in

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because of a recent family situation (always a good time!

), i've been in a debate with a jw relative about whether the society permits divorce (without remarriage) where there is emotional abuse.

this relative swears the literature has said that a person can leave her spouse where there is emotional abuse, but that she cannot remarry.

Fleur

They told me that I had to tell him before the divorce was filed in the courts because if I didnt then it would make him scriptually free and I wouldnt be. So I filed late on a tuesday afternoon where they couldnt file till Wed. and I told him that tues. night.

I've never heard that one, must be new since I left, but then every BOE seems to have its own little rulebook to play by.

When I begged the elders (and I mean begged) for help with the emotional abuse, physical intimidation I had in my first marriage (I didn't tell them about the sexual coercion or I know my mate would kill me) they told me to "be a better wife and pray more."

I decided to be a better human being and mother and dump the man, and the cult. Best decision I ever made, even if it did cost me 99.9% of my family. My child will never think that that is how a man who loves a woman treats her, ever.

But as far as your friend goes, with emotional abuse, she's SOL if she wants to remarry. Unless he has an, um, indescretion first...she's going to get booted out, no doubt if she tries to date anyone.

Before I knew the 'truth' about the teachings of the cult, this was the issue that had me swearing I'd never go back; that I will never again support an organization that encourages the domination of women. The whole headship arrangement is perfect for abusers, they get away with the everything they want to do to a woman under that block title; the whole lot.

Never going back, and never looking back.

essie

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FRESH OFF THE PRESS.... 9/1/06 WT "When a Loved One Leaves Jeh."

by schne_belly in

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this just in for your reading displeasure......enjoy

.

Fleur

I cannot tell you how grateful I am that you posted those scans...thank you so much. Forewarned is forearmed...my mother is gonna let me have it with this one right between the eyes.

For eight years all I have heard is how much my abandoning Jehovah has destroyed my family. I would love to ask any sane person how someone you love leaving an abusive mate, finding love and happiness, and settling down into a happy, new, normal, boring in fact life is destroying a family???

What parent would rather their child commit suicide than break the insanely stupid manmade rules of a cult?

Mine :(

My sister is gonna love this one too. I ruined her life, she tells people. I ruined her life.

Seems she has done a good enough job of that on her own, her and her super Elder husband.

I think I'm going to be sick.

Apfergus, my mom said to me again tonight (the number of times she says this are uncountable) "They're telling us to get ready because it's going to happen at any moment!" when she says that I actually have to stop myself from laughing out loud. They've been telling her that since she was an infant. She's a grandmother now, and it's no closer. What a sad state of affairs, I tell you.

essie

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Not quite sure where else to go, I'll give this place a try.

by AnonyMouse in

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i'll introduce myself:

i'm a person who'd like to remain anonymous.

i'm 16, and recently confessed to my mother my disbelief in her religion (jehovah's witnesses, obviously so).

Fleur

Whatever you do or don't do, honey, please put the knife AWAY for good.

You are in such a horrible spot right now...I didn't get a clue about the religion until I was in my 20's (had to get out of a bad marriage on the way out, was messy...all that) but you, being a minor have your hands tied in a lot of respects. But not all.

My advice? If you cannot get her to put you in public school to finish high school, do the very best you can with your studies. Get great grades. Apply to every college that you can, talk to finantial aid people well in advance of graduation. If you're not in a program of 'homeschooling' that will give you a real diploma, then GET into one or get into a public school. You will need that later. If you absolutely cannot get your mom to send you to public school or whatever...check into your area about vocational training for those who don't have a diploma. You would use this training to get you a job that you could do while you put yourself through school later. You must, must, must, my young paduan, get your education.

Your hands are tied in a lot of ways...for now if you're afraid you might end up out on the street if Mom gets really angry about your internet activities...you may want to curtail them at home. What about the local library, can you do any of your searches there? Being homeschooled you have a good excuse to spend lots of time there.

Learn, learn, learn, do all you can to get as smart as you can and not just about the religion. I know it's hard to be motivated when you're homeschooled (the stories I could tell you) but you have to, this is your future, and you're certainly grown enough to know what that means.

If you want freedom later, you are going to have to go very slow and covert for now. Play along, attend meetings if you have to. Tune it all out. Know that you're biding your time. But whatever you do, honey, please do NOT give up on life. I don't care if you have to walk into an emergency room at a hospital and tell them that you're thinking of hurting yourself to get help. You have the whole world in front of you and there is life out there you can't even imagine now...you just have to grit your teeth and get through this.

Be careful, take care of yourself, and don't do anything rash. One thing I can guarantee you is that in two years you can do what you want...just be sure that you're ready to take care of yourself (get some job experience now if you can...tell your mom you want to help out with the expenses. I bet she'd like that).

Take care of you and just hang on. I know it seems forever away now. But you will get out, if you stay the course.

God, I feel old all of a sudden. But I sure as hell remember what it felt like to be sixteen and desperate...and I actually believed the religion at the time...

hugs

essie

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I'm a nervous wreck! (rant)

by MsMcDucket in

first they told me that my mother was in a persistent vegetative state, and that we (the family) should cut off her oxygen and feeding tubes.

i told them that it was too soon to be saying that or making this diagnosis.

they had my family believing this.

Fleur

((((((((((Mrs McD)))))))))))))))))