f-ing propoganda.
i read it, only because i recognized an old friend in it.
(he was interviewed) makes me mad that he's a propoganda pig, though.. whitewash.. btw i hate getting these damn things, but my in-laws spam us with them.
F-ing propoganda. I read it, only because I recognized an old friend in it.(He was interviewed) Makes me mad that he's a propoganda pig, though.
Whitewash.
BTW I hate getting these damn things, but my in-laws spam us with them. If anyone want the articles, just tell me, and I'll send them to you. Still getting them twice a month.
ashi
a guy came in our pub tonight wearing a back to front baseball hat.
after 10 minutes or so he was getting very miffed that no-one wanted to talk to him.
i explained to him that he was offending everyone by wearing a hat indoors, surely, especially as he is a police officer, he was aware that it is extremely bad manners to wear a hat indoors?.
Andi!!! Watch the spanking comments!!! My wife is around!!!lol
And yes, I do take my hat off, but I never understood why. There seems to be no logical reason for it.
ashi
dear all.
watched parkinson last week (week before?
), anyway, the one that starred elton john (for those not in the uk, parkinson is a bbc saturday night chat show hosted by mr michael p.).
yee........haw
ashi
a while ago someone suggested that brooklyn bethel shut their doors during wtc horror; does anyone know for sure?i have been told they opened the doors for 'relief work'.
want to get facts straight before i spout off.
"only two things are infinite- the universe and human stupidity, and i'm not too sure about the universe.
I am one of the biggest JW debunkers here, but I heard, about half and half. At first, yes, but later on I believe some effort was made to be human.
ashi
a guy came in our pub tonight wearing a back to front baseball hat.
after 10 minutes or so he was getting very miffed that no-one wanted to talk to him.
i explained to him that he was offending everyone by wearing a hat indoors, surely, especially as he is a police officer, he was aware that it is extremely bad manners to wear a hat indoors?.
Yeah,
we Yanks don't give a goddam about hat-wearing. It seems silly to me. Why is it so offensive? Just tradition I suppose.
ashi
one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).
ashi.
p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.
Some good news. My brother agreed to turn him in next time it happens. I managed to get him to stay the weekend, and my brother is pissed, still.
I'm glad. It's going to work out and he's going to be OK.
ashi
one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).
ashi.
p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.
I don't think my brother sees it brightly, just in his own version of sad reality. He has been told he can come live with my wife and I at any time-hell we did it with my brother in law last year, I can help my blood brother out this year.
But, he wants to stay at home. He doesn't want any upheavel. I think he's also afraid for my mother's and sister's future. My father won't pay for my sister's wedding, and my mother is a strong woman, but how much can she take?
I believe that's his reasoning.
My father, on the other hand, will probably wont even be talked to for a week. Then the next week, he'll be an asshole again. He's more physically threatening, now, rather than actually violent, than when I was a child-back then it was real, physical violence. I think this was just the beginning of troubles, and that now I have to keep an ear out, and a watchful eye. The next time it happens, I'm going to hog tie the Sonofabitch and toss him on the front lawn for the cops to pick. Then I'll call every friend he ever had. Then I'll call his work. Then I'll call the neighbors. That's legal, and humiliating at the same time.
Technically, I still don't know about this. My mother and sister made my wife swear she wouldn't tell me-they still don't know I am privy to all of the details.
I will take my brother out of the house for the weekend, give him something positive to do. We have him over often, so this won't seem out of the ordinary to my father.
Personally, I am cordial to my father, but only in a very loose way. I don't even shake his hand-I hate being near him. But, never afraid of him. My brother may not be afraid of him, just afraid of change-any kind of change.
My brother is a gifted mind-he never studies, yet he remains a strait A student. His is more mature for his age than any other 14-15 year old I have known. I trust him to make a decsion on this.
If I go against his wishes, he would be so angry that he may say that I did it, just to punish me for going against his wishes. Do you guys see my dilemma? I have no other recourse....well, except for taking Lonewolf up on his offer. (BTW, thanks for it).
ashi
one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).
ashi.
p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.
My brother says he feels fine, that he has only a bruise. The stairs he was thrown down are thickly carpeted, and he told me he braced himself from falling too hard. He said he didn't hit his head; he said he 'just tumbled'. He said he was half chased, half thrown.
I have no right to tell him to do something that he doesn't want to do. I'm his brother, not a parent. If he says he's alright, I have to believe it. I WILL document the bruises, and have him sign the photo, saying when and where these injuries were done to him.
Perhaps this will be the impetus he needs to get help. But, considering the possible consequences for him (see mommy's post), I will let HIM be the judge when enough is enough. I can't force him to do anything.
My hands are tied.
ashi
how many here have seen a river runs through it?.
god i love that movie.
"i am haunted by waters.....".
How many here have seen a River Runs Through It?
God I love that movie.
"I am haunted by waters....."
*sigh*
ashi
one more topic.. my wife just called up to tell me that she was over my parents before a doctor's visit, chatting with my mother, when my crazed jw father threw my small 14 year old brother down the stairs and punched him for not wanting to study.. i've been beat, thrown down stairs, had potted plants thrown at me, chased around the house, and such, for not wanting to do the family study.. this is what the "truth" does to people, all you loyal jw's....take note...... (i'm so angry i'm shaking).
ashi.
p.s-my father said he was leaving my mother--oh god, pretty please, you motherf**ker.
Just as an update-there is no update.
My brother refuses to do anything, and says if I said something, he wouldn't cooperate.
Amazing. I just don't get it. When I was his age, I talked to EVERYBODY about what happened to me.
What psychology is at work, here?
I was always defiant-the rest of my family is afraid (except for my mother). I just don't understand how they can let it go on.
And, tomorrow, they will forget entirely about it, that is, until the next time my brother gets my father's dander up-then it will start all over again.
The elders didn't brainwash me, but they may have subtly gotten to the rest of them, even though they don't attend anymore.
I almost wish my wife didn't tell me. I despise feeling helpless-it's about one step from feeling worthless.
I've had to relive the past with the same end result-even though I swore I wouldn't let it affect the rest of them, ever.
On a nicer note, you guys are great for helping me out, though I barely know you.
ashi
"You ever get lonely?."
"Only around people."
-Thin Red Line
