i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
I don't think is an area where you can attack anyone for the roles they played or didn't play in getting the job done.
Sure I can. I'm "attacking" the WT representatives who led a number of us to believe that they spoke in the "pure language of truth".
Actually, I'm not "attacking". I'm mourning.
Nina
i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
There was an awful lot of cronyism going on.
That would have been my next point of discussion.
Nina
i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
I think what everyone agreed that what was fair was that brothers who were in the construction field should not have to pay out of pocket for the equipment, gasoline, supplies etc.
Why shouldn't they have to pay out of pocket? Does "volunteer" here mean "uncoerced" and "unremunerated"? As I recall, when the matter of Quick Builds was brought up at meetings the context included terms such as "donation" "free" and "unpaid". Never did I hear mention of compensation such as has been discussed on this thread. "Everyone" didn't agree. The topic was not opened to discussion by "everyone". This is the first I've heard that any JW not specifically contracted to work on a quick build was financially compensated.
Believe me, no one made any money on these projects
Gregor, I'm sure you are a lovely person speaking in good faith BUT sadly, I do not believe you. I'm sure there were good guys, brothers who didn't "profit" from a quick build, but is that the point? The point here is that "volunteer" was interpreted by quite a number of JW's to mean both "uncoerced" AND "uncompensated". Dummy us.
Can you imagine a brother who works in construction five days a week and goes to five meetings a week plus field service and then he gets peer pressured into all his weekends for several weeks?
Oh, the poor brother...not! Can you imagine a mom with 5 baptised kids who works at supporting and taking care of her family seven days a week and goes (prepared!) to five meetings a week plus field service (x6) and then gets pressured into using weekends for quick builds *at her own expense* because one of her kids got invited to be on the roofing crew and another kid got invited to be on some other crew (it's been a long time ago, I've forgotten what they all did), and the rest of the family were given assignments elsewhere on the builds? They asked for our help. We weren't remunerated, not for gas, not for equipment, not for supplies. The mom had to find a way to produce what was needed from the household budget. Mom had to wake up early and drive to the builds, sometimes for hours, because the family lived in a rural area and no one else from the congregation went to builds. Mom had to take care of expenses, car repairs, everything...and she was willing because wasn't everyone else involved facing the same thing? And doing it with joy? Mom was, so were her kids. Discovering that conditions were not the same for all "volunteers" is having an effect.
As I said in a previous post....I'm learning.
Nina
P.S. No regrets.
i thought about this the other day when i read a post here about the king apostate being ray franz.
i am wondering who should take the crown as the queen of the apostates.
my guess would be lori mcgregor.
Are you suggesting that Ray Franz has a hatred for JW's?
i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
So if a "brother" had a business or a skill that utilized certain machinery or equipment he could "volunteer" for a Quick Build and still bring home money? Interesting.
I guess my definition of "volunteer" needs refining. http://www.idealist.org/if/idealist/en/FAQ/QuestionViewer/default?category-id=13&item=9§ion=4
I'm learning. I don't like what I'm learning but I'm learning.
Nina
i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
the cabinet makers certainly did.
Were these cabinet makers JW's donating their time and skills or were they outside contractors?
How do you know they were paid? At what rate?
Nina
i was involved in several, starting when i was about 10 or 11 with jobs like sweeping up sawdust or picking up loose nails.
i loved it.
once, when i was about 22 we were building the kh south of santa barbara in carpinteria.
some of the trades got paid
Oh?
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there exists in turkey a family that walks on all fours.. i wonder what jws make of the claim that this offers evolutionary insights!
I liked this one: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5479501/
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there exists in turkey a family that walks on all fours.. i wonder what jws make of the claim that this offers evolutionary insights!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4782492.stm (has a video)
does any one have any information on him?
someone told me he died?
what of his wife gloria?.
my guess is
You say you are a researcher. Don't guess. Do the legwork. AFTER you do all that you can do, then ask for assistance if it is needed.
It's your project.
Nina
