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  A JW kid that I knew is now in the insane assylum

  by headmath in

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  i just can't believe all the trouble witness kida are having lately in my area( (vancouver b.c).

  3 years ago a witness kid (18 years old) jumped off a bridge to his death.. the latest news from the jw grapevine is that a jw kid that i knew (he is now 20) is in the insane assylum.

  it seems he was found swimming towards bethel from vancouver (he left a note) this was at least a 1000 miles away and he never would have made it.

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  In one congr. I was in,one of the elder tolm me that 50% of the friends were taking something for mental sickness

  The daughter of a good friend of mine was DF'd. For whatever reason she decided she wanted to be reinstated. The elders told her she had to "go on meds". The elders told her parents it was better for her to be on medication than to be part of the world. Sadly, the family cooperated. There was no medical need, they were simply obeying the elders directive to dope their daughter into compliance.

  In another congregation the elders told one publisher that before s/he could move into the congregation s/he would have to agree to go on meds. The publisher asked why, since there was no prior history, etc. and the elder conducting the conversation said it might be because he was jealous; he had to take meds in order to function. Thankfully the publisher decided not to move into the area.

  Is it really possible to get medications without demonstrating a need?

  Haven't the elders been warned [through the pages of the WT] not to dispense medical advice?

  Is this issue as widespread as I'm beginning to believe it is?
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  DID NOAH TAKE PLANTS ONBOARD ARK?

  by badboy in

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  i have heard that certain types of rice can only survive about 3 weeks under water, it occured to me that perhaps noah would have taken aboard,what do you think?.

  what does wt think????

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  Nina

  what do you think he fed the animals with

  Mayyyyybe no plants were taken aboard the ark...No input, no (or low) output! (Makes cleaning the ark a lot easier!)

  If the sun can stand still and manna can feed a hungry nation...

  N.
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  Just read TRUE STORY - the Christian Longo murders

  by BizzyBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just finished reading true story about the christian longo murders.

  it is a fascinating account of a disturbed individual.

  longo had a tremendous potential to build a good life but also a great capacity to ruin it.

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  His primary flaw was being a compulsive liar. But he became a thief and ultimately, a heinous murderer. But one wonders – what course could his life have taken if his intellectual and sexual drives had not been thwarted by WTS dictates?

  He might have been another Michael Milken?

  N.
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  Repartee for "Jehovah Will Take Care of It"

  by Inquisitor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i really hate it when my folks use the line: "leave it to jehovah.

  he will take care of (insert organizational failure here).

  we just do our part.

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  "Leave it to Jehovah. He will take care of (insert organizational failure here). We just do our part."

  My response was "How do you know he isn't using me to bring this to your attention?"

  Elder's response: "Jehovah has NEVER used a woman to work changes in His organization."

  *sigh*
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  Elders and Their Word.

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have elders told you one thing then did something else other than what they said they would do for you?

  let me give you an example.

  when the elders in our former congregation were trying to get my son to come to an elder's meeting they called me and said they would do everything possible to aid and assist my son with some problems that he was having.

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  A better title for your post would have been Blueblades and his gulliblity.

  Since when can elders promise that they won't disfellowship a person? After all the evidence is heard don't the elders prayerfully seek direction from Jehovah? You were an elder, you knew how the game was played. You knew about "theocratic warfare strategy". You knew JC procedure. You also knew that you weren't the one on the hook...but you let them hook you as well.

  There were at least two warnings that you either overlooked or ignored: One, that they called you instead of your son. Can you say "bait"? Two, they told you they would do everything they POSSIBLY could..as in "we have certain limits; either your son remains within them or all that we have held out to you during negotiations loses validity" (as if it ever had validity to begin with!).

  It seems that your intent was to act as a shield for your son. If you actually believed in and trusted these men then why did you behave as though your son needed protecting from them?

  The onus is on you. Your actions were ambivalent; you delivered your son to persons you weren't sure you could trust (why else would you have been negotiating with them in the first place?).

  Those elders didn't lie; you misjudged their position and, imo, overestimated yours.

  There is another possibility here, however obscure, and it is that your son told you one story and told them something completely different. Proverbs 26:17: As one grabbing hold of the ears of a dog is anyone passing by that is becoming furious at the quarrel that is not his. Better you should have stayed out of it.

  In your original post you asked:

  What have elders told you, even given their word and promising you whatever to get you to give out information that they would not otherwise get from you? Have you experienced elders who have done this to you? What did you do about it?

  Blue, if you want to have your "ears tickled" then go ahead and look for support among persons who have made the same mistake as yours.

  If you want to learn something then ponder the meaning of these words which, I am sure, are familiar: "Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs." (Psalm 146:3)

  *Exits, muttering: "...can't see two feet in front of their faces, always looking for someone else to blame...ya think they'd learn but noooo....."

  N.
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  Elders and Their Word.

  by Blueblades in

  1. jw
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  have elders told you one thing then did something else other than what they said they would do for you?

  let me give you an example.

  when the elders in our former congregation were trying to get my son to come to an elder's meeting they called me and said they would do everything possible to aid and assist my son with some problems that he was having.

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  Was this son underage at the time of the events? Was he living at home? Or was he adult? On his own?
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  Looking for website

  by choosing life in

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  2. friends

  has raymond franz got a current website?

  if not, is there any links to an old sie?

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  Nina

  http://www.commentarypress.com/
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  Legal Stuff: What's The Likely Fallout?

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  even if the watchtower survives recent legal reverses unscathed, i still find it likely that they will react in some fashion, to further protect.

  the question is how?.

  whatever they do, they need to distance themselves from the congregations.

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  I think the question is slightly skewed. The United States government doesn't give a rat about Watchtower or Jehovah's Witnesses. Their interest is in doing away with "ecclesiastical privilige". Once that's gone (and it will take several more years, imo) the question becomes something like "how will Watchtower manage to keep a hold on its contributing members"?

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  "Delivered From the Trap of the Birdcatcher" DC Demonstration

  by FadingAway in

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  a very convincing and timely demonstration on the dangers of the internet!

  http://www.box.net/public/j2uoneqjfe.

  if you can't get this to run, i will be more than happy to pm it to you if you can stomach it.

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  I think the demo is a fake.

  1. Why would the WT put on a demo showing that their own members utilize the internet when they've instructed them not to?

  2. The JW on the demo directly addresses Satan. That's "spiritism"!

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  Are they just more blind?

  by beautifulisfree in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was thinking the other day.

  when i was just a plain 'ol publisher i was not 'privileged' to any apostate material or really any behind the scenes of the society.

  but, as an elder you get to read alot of da letters that explain peoples findings about the lies the society has told.

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  Good questions!

  I wonder if the elders actually read the long letters they get from DF'd or people or people who want to DA.

  Any ex- (or current!) elders out there who want to add in their experience?

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