Posts by fiddler

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New Light: 3rd heaven?

by problemaddict in

forgive me if this has been covered.

last year i did a synopsis of the convention, but my wife decided she did not want to go this year (thats a win), so i didn't either.

a good friend of mine however tipped me to something in david splanes talk.. its pretty mild, but seems a bit wacky.

When I was still in I always wondered about that scripture where Paul had his out of body experience. I never understood why he said he was 'boasting' until after I left and read parts of The Book of Enoch where Enoch has the same experience. It occurred to me that Paul could only be boasting to people who had read or had knowledge of this Enochian literature. I wonder if the Book of Enoch was part of his "all scriptures inspired of God"?

I mentioned that scripture to my jdub son in law and he thought I was lying or making something up. I had to show him the scripture from the NWT. He'd never seen it.

So wow ~ the GB are going to finally tackle that one! It was always a scripture that was passed over and I only knew of it because of reading on after some other scripture was quoted; got bored often during meetings. Bet they will 'spin it' real good!

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does the org monitor this site?

by venting in

jw
friends

i,m sure they would like to find out the names of some who post here.

venting..

fiddler

There is a dilemma I think If they are reading on this site. That is the fact that they WILL get their eyes opened IF they have functioning brain cells. So, fear of learning TTAT might mean that they DON'T look here.

But we know that they do.

So they are either total morons or.......

They look and know full well the scam that they are perpetuating. Shame, shame on them!

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Does the GB claim the sole power of scriptural interpretation?

by DATA-DOG in

what are the best quotes, old and new about this mystical power?

i just had a " come to jesus " talk with my wife.

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fiddler

"Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."

Really? That is so presumptuous of them to assume such a thing. What a leap in logic!

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puke-tacular new Sept 2014 koolaid WT is up

by baltar447 in

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140915/.

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fiddler

That article on "know it's the truth" or something like that...I read more of that Watchtower article than I have in a decade at least and I am just flabbergasted at the writing style! So many assumptions and misleading statements!

I bought into all of this during my time in because I hadn't read about anything else. Were JW's the ONLY ones to oppose WWII? No...but I didn't know that nor did I know about the letter Rutherford sent to Hitler basically telling Hitler that JW's were in total agreement about the Jews (anti Semetism) and that the USA was full of *#it!

Does any other group preach about Jesus? Um....yes, a lot do.

Do other groups translate in obscure languages? I think I read on another thread here that there are other Bible publishing groups that do (I'll try to find that info). It doesn't really matter to me however because I DON'T believe the Bible is inspired by anything more than men.

The testimonies of three obscure and unknown 'brothers' was supposed to inspire belief that this is the truth....yeah right. The words of these men could easily have been scripted from the magazines (and in fact were). The typical rank & file witness doesn't even know he/she is spouting verbatim Watchtower sentences. So brainwashed.

The article assumes that there was an organized first century Christian congregation. Laughable! There was no model for first century Christians. It was a haberdashery of conflicting ideas. It wasn't until the 4th century AD that the Catholic council of Nicea gave it structure by choosing the writings that would be included in the 'New Testiment'.

so many assumptions were made. It was sickening to read and even more sickening knowing the number of people who will swallow it without a second thought

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A Thread for Cyclists - Where Do you Ride?

by cofty in

i took up cycing a couple of months ago just to get fitter and lose a bit of excess weight.. i bought a second-hand hybrid bike (weighs only slightly less than a truck) and fitted road tyres.

four or five times a week i will go for a ride after work for an hour or so.

i am fortunate enough to live in rural north england surrounded by limitless quiet roads.

fiddler

I got myself a Giant hybrid for my 55th birthday...my present to myself. I mostly ride around town but like hitting the local rail trails, too. One trip to the Banks/Vernonia trail with my daughter and her boyfriend we got positively drenched but did manage to get a picture of an owl watching all the soaked bikers riding by. I sent it in to Rails-To-Trails and they used it for the main photo for that trail! If you go to railstotrails.org you can see it under the Banks/Vernonia trail in Oregon.

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Get well Grace (Mouthy)

by label licker in

jw
friends

a loud get well grace from all of us to you.

everyone, grace has been in and out of the hospital and i'm sure she would love to read your get wells.

we miss you grace:) wish i could post pictures.

fiddler

Grace, I don't post here too often but I always LOL at outlaw's post. I hope you did too because it's sometimes those direct and to the point thoughts that matter the most. You are loved!

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What is the key to free yourself from the Organization?

by suavojr in

they key to free yourself from the organization is having mental clarity of what is happening in relation to the watchtower, inside and out.

their basic concept is that they are god's sole organization on earth.

there really is no basis for anyone to make that statement.

fiddler

I was baptized into some such Jehovah's Witness religion in 1973. My baptismal questions were different; it was a different religion. I left the religion in 1999. If you want me to be a JW again CONVINCE me! Tell me what the 'truth' is. I dare you!

They can't. They know they can't because I am absolutely on to them! That is why they shun me.

Knowlege is power.

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How do you cope with impaired mobility?

by compound complex in

greetings, my aging friends!

before asking you this question, i tried to do some research on the thought that 'hard work never killed anyone,' but, man, can it cripple you!

what i wanted to figure out is something better than you're getting older and tireder.. many of us have done hard physical labor most of our lives and see no prospect of retirement.

fiddler

This thread certainly hit a nerve...or something! I am 56 soon to be 57 and over the last year I have lost about 15 lbs, started riding a bike, got a dog and so am walking said dog but now I'm experiencing sometimes excruciating knee pain! It is really irritating to me because I am not obese and I am active but this crops up all the same. I love getting out in nature riding my bike, walking my dog and hiking and so having my knees go out at this point just sucks!

i currently am wearing a knee brace and I either ice or apply heat (ice seems to be best) but it isn't going away. This us a fairly recent thing so I'm still trying to figure things out.

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Anyone recall a time when your congregation came to the aid of a Brother or sister in need??

by jam in

i'm not talking about a individual, but a congregation as a whole.. i'm talking about a brother or sister that really hit hard times.. have there ever been an occasion where the brothers (elders).

decided to dip into the kh funds and help one in need????.

example, brother loose his job, get evicted, family of four or.

fiddler

The individual JW's are basically good people and yes, I both was the recipient of help with food during hard times and also returned the kindness to others. It was sometimes an announcement made at the service meeting back in the day...I do wonder if that would be allowed now. Mostly it was the 'sisters' that thought of and arranged such things. I remember helping out the family of one of our elders who had ALS. It was the sisters that did ALL the helping. Those of us who helped were taught to 'bag' the patient (compressing a bellows to give air to the patient) and suction mucous from his airway...something I never thought I could do but learned to do it. I was able to suction and make small talk over the Jeopardy game on TV without missing a beat at one point. I am glad I was able to help in this way but it was during a particular day that everyone was at a memorial service for another elder that I had a situation where the ALS brother needed to use the potty and he had weakened to a point that I couldn't hold him up. I kept him discreetly covered but still...it was just a terrible situation. I called the Kingdom Hall where the memorial was being held and asked for emergency assistance! Another elder was dispatched and he was absolutely....horrified....ashamed.....I don't know what but he was totally unaware that the sisters were doing all this caregiving and none of the brothers had offered any help whatsoever. The ALS brother died not too long after....

My experience with individual witnesses is that they are caring people but the corporate nature of the Watchtoer society gets in the way of natural affection.

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Portland, OR water officials confirm diagnosis of stupidity

by JeffT in

they did this once before a couple of years ago.

do they think the ducks get out of the water to go to the bathroom?.

ps: i think the kid is an idiot, but he's nineteen.. .

fiddler

I'm from the Wolf Creek water shed area (of Oregon) and all I can say is: What about all the bird droppings and raccoon pee and possum pee .... And, and .... Yep! Bureacracy at it's finest!