help from a loving jehovah's witness elder part 1. this elder is clearly out of touch with all emotion period as this poor girl pours her heart out to him.
can these untrained, unloving, pharisees possibly be fit to represent a god of love?
a god of anything?
I wonder how many times this kind of call goes out to the elders? I'm going to guess that her situation is not unique. What the recording shows is that these men are not loving shepherds but corporate men through and through and their job is the cold following of bureaucratic rules.
Oubliette always says "let's review, it's a cult".
I would add: let's review, it's a business. That was an example of how a distressed employee would be handled in a corporate board room.
the actual interview starts at the 20 minute mark.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbxfgbjjs0m.
for those of you who left family and friends and had to start over from scratch just to get out of the organization, was it worth it?.
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I don't regret leaving the religion. It was the single most important choice I ever made in my life. If there was ever anything I was supposed to do in this life, that was it. The things that happened in the aftermath; the loss of all my friends and especially family was and is still hard but I don't regret the choice. I have 3 out of 4 of my kids out with me and some cousins. I have many new friends who accept me as I am. Each day I wake up is a gift and I Can alter and refine my beliefs with each day of added information...today's 'truth' may not stand the test of tomorrow's facts. I'm good with that!
Yes, it was absolutely worth it!
i'm curious, even though jws must fight and resist, how many secretly hope that their loved one is forced a blood transfusion so they can live and their conscious is cleared of having done everything possible to not have one?
or you have felt guilty and upset about it no matter what?
watchtower september 2015 study edition, "stand firm in the faith," paragraphs 16 and 17:.
following jesus example, we must read the bible daily, study it, and meditate on what we learn.
along with general bible study, dig into topics about which you may have questions.. you can imitate jesus by meditating on the wonderful promises jehovah has made to you.
your going to enjoy the latest rumor i heard why i have not been to meeting for around nine months, i am a homosexual!
i was caught having a drink at one of the gay bars for business, yes people still talk business in bars.
revelation 17:4).and murderers, and fornicators (cf.
I suppose there was enough circumstantial evidence to suggest the possibility that I was a witch, that I was a stoner, that I was lesbian...none of it true. I have no idea what has been said about me but from the absolute terror some seem to have of meeting me eye to eye (seriously, one sister did the most ridiculous dance of darting into recesses of businesses to avoid me it was comical) it's just wierd. They call US mentally off!
No, I am a 57 year old woman who has a dog for company and teaches music for a living then comes home to a quiet evening of TV or a book to read and of course, a little time spent here!
i was discussing this topic with two friends of mine, ex jws, a few nights ago.
i think it would be boring after a while.
you can't smoke, have to drink with moderation (difficult in europe with all the wines).
I would like to be able to live a longer healthier life and die peacefully then be reincarnated so that I could experience childhood again and make different decisions and hopefully better ones. I'm already putting in my request for non religious, highly intelligenct parents who believe in education LOL!
some background:josie the miniature schnauzer is now 12 years old, so she's old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.
however, she insists on peeing in the middle of my beautifully tended lawn, which, as a consequence, is now covered in brown patches.
i've remonstrated with her a number of times and each time she purports to show a diplay of repentance, that is, she slinks away on her belly with her ears flattened down tightly to her head.
i am sort of new here, used a different username for a while but things got 'difficult' at home so i've since been lurking.... what i would be really interested to know, if you don't mind sharing, is what it was that triggered your doubts and initial research which led to awakening, was it a bad experience, injustice, changed doctrine?
for me, it was seeing mistreatment of young ones in the congregation, they're under so much pressure and as soon as they go even slightly astray they are shunned, either informally (as bad associations which pushes them further into the 'world') or formally - with elders dying to throw the book at them so they even lose their family.... ...then reading about child abuse issues in the press.... ...which led me to silentlambs.
...then jw facts, this forum and coc, wham!
I actually had a bit of a melt down...mid life crisis...and ended up doing something that was DF worthy but there was so much that led up to the melt down. Lack of love and gossip within the Congregation was certainly a big factor but so was the Bible itself. The change in generation doctrine in 1995 bugged me but even more than that was listening to the paralells in radical Islam and what I was reading in the Bible. Being a woman I felt very offended by the patriarchal attitudes of the Bible. It is sad that the JWs actually can point the finger at me and say I did do something DF worthy (in their book) but there are so many Jdubs that are accepted back into the congregation after doing the same. The difference was that I didn't go back. They think it is because of 'pride' but that is not the case. My mistakes are my own and I own them and have been forgiven for them by most everyone that mattered (with the exception of my JW daughter).
I didn't go back because I dug deeper and found the whole belief system AND the Bible to be seriously flawed. My journey out was probably the culmination of a lot of cognitive dissonance but unfortunately, I will not be taken seriously by most Jdubs because of my early mistakes. I'm so glad that there are so many now that left solely because of disbelief. So many of you are sticking with your JW mates while being treated abhorently in the name of this religion.
when you stood there in front of that dinosaur display did you connect the.
dots, or did you like me believe that they made a mistake in calculating their.
ages.
I believed what my dad told me, that Dino's were big massive vegetation lawn mowers that would later die and provide oil for humans later. He believed this was all in Jehovah's plan...yeh right...oil!!
when I was young there was a lot more church attendance and a higher percentage that believed the Bible was from God so it was not just JW'S. I recently was viewing an old Looney Tunes cartoon, black and white so really old, and in it was a caveman alongside dinosaurs. I think it was more or less the general opinion in the mid 20th century among the bible believing populace that Dino's and humans coexisted. No one really Thought about it so when we saw Dino bones at a museum we just went "ooh, isn't that big?"
It wasn't until the Internet for me that I started putting the time frames together and THINKING about it and it truly was wtf moment. Before I just didn't go any deeper than what I was told and I think JW'S aren't the only ones that did that.
