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  Atheist/Agnostics..you'r e in good company

  by badwillie in

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  famous people who were also atheists:.

  simon bolivar, revolutionary of venezuela.

  abraham lincoln, president.

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  dan

  What's wrong with creationism?
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  Atheist/Agnostics..you'r e in good company

  by badwillie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  famous people who were also atheists:.

  simon bolivar, revolutionary of venezuela.

  abraham lincoln, president.

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  dan

  How to receive knowledge of the existence of God:

  1) Want to believe.

  2) Let that desire grow to the point where you feel the need to act upon it.

  3) Read the scriptures. We recommend the Bible and the Book of Mormon.

  4) Apply the commandments to your life. Obey them as best you can.

  5) Pray for an assurance that what you have read is the truth, and that God lives, and that Jesus is His Son.

  6) Want to receive an answer.

  7) Repeat steps 3 - 5 until you receive an answer from God.

  8) Continue to repeat steps 3 - 5 throughout your life, as your faith will rise and fall with the circumstances in your life.

  If you can complete these steps you will receive an answer. Until you have done it you cannot say whether it works or not. I have done it and it has worked. I invite all of you to do the same.
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  101

  Atheist/Agnostics..you'r e in good company

  by badwillie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  famous people who were also atheists:.

  simon bolivar, revolutionary of venezuela.

  abraham lincoln, president.

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  dan

  Patronizing is just a sign of immaturity and insecurity. If you just want to call it a draw I'm fine with that, but don't act like children. It just akes atheists look that much more uninformed.
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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

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  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  dan

  I got gauranteed a credit card the other day before this company knew who I was, but that means nothing. Christ gauranteed him a place before a proxy baptism performed. This is true, but it in no way implies that a proxy baptism will never be performed. All people will have their turn before the end.

  I never claimed to be chained down to scriptural references. I am showing that it is the rest of y'all that shriek and moan when someone says something that isn't in the Bible, but your own doctrine comes from everywhere but the Bible. You claim that extra scriptural assumptions are null and void, so don't YOU use them to back up your doctrine.

  How do you pronounce forte? Don't look it up, just type how you pronounce it.

  The identifying strains of DNA that are being spoken of here get so diluted through a handful of generations that it is impossible to say with any degree confidence where the Native Americans came from. All those studies showed was the existence of a strain that is more dominant in Asiatic peoples. It would also help you tro understand that race is a completely false assumption. There's no such thing as race. It is a definition that we have tacked on to people to label and generalize them. There is one race, the human race. There is nothing in biology that seperates the blacks from the Jews from the whites from the purple people. We are all genetically the same. Sickle Cell does not affect only black people, it affects people who lived around the equator and it has affected many white people. SARS does not only affect Chinese people. There are a whole slew of ideas that you accept as fact that are utterly and completely false.
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  Do you believe in God or Jesus ???

  by run dont walk in

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  personally, i could care less about god and/or jesus, have no use for either of them, very disappointed in how they run things.

  and when i die, i hope i get the chance to tell him/them that.. there was a great song in the late 80's early 90's by depeche mode called blasphemous rumours(spelling ?

  ) "i don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but i think that god has a sick sense of humour, and when i die i expect to find him laughing.".

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  You are an atheists that creates an account with a Jehovah's Witness website; you come to a thread called "Do you believe in God?" and you tell me I'm the one who's asserting my view, and the burden of proof therefore lies with me?
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  Atheist/Agnostics..you'r e in good company

  by badwillie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  famous people who were also atheists:.

  simon bolivar, revolutionary of venezuela.

  abraham lincoln, president.

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  dan

  "Please... by all means share your testable proof with us! Hell, share it with the world! So far no one has ever been able to come up with scientific testable proof that there is a God. I would love for you to show it to us!"

  I'd appreciate you not cursing, and I told you I would not throw pearls to people that don't even want them. You have no intention of seriously considering what I have to say, so I will not waste my time.

  What were you saying, then?
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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  dan

  elderwho, vicarious baptism was around long before the thief died on the cross; but, yes, he died before I had a chance to make the inference.

  As for DNA, here's the story. Lehi with his family, (about 25 people) came to the Americas and found entire civilizations of people here. They intermarried with them and with each other. His religion and his culture is what survived, but how much of his DNA do you think is going to make it through 2,000 years of procreation? See how this DNA claim is a straw man?
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  Do you believe in God or Jesus ???

  by run dont walk in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  personally, i could care less about god and/or jesus, have no use for either of them, very disappointed in how they run things.

  and when i die, i hope i get the chance to tell him/them that.. there was a great song in the late 80's early 90's by depeche mode called blasphemous rumours(spelling ?

  ) "i don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but i think that god has a sick sense of humour, and when i die i expect to find him laughing.".

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  drwtsn32, You're the one making the claim! Atheism is the newest religion on the block, son! You've only been around for less than a century. We've been around since the beginning of time. If you want to use that argument you're going to have provide the proof, sucka. The existence of God was never questioned until the last 70 years or so, so you, amigo, have the burden of proof.
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  The resurrection of the flesh of Jesus Christ

  by hooberus in

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  the church has traditionally held to the resurrection of the flesh of jesus christ:.

  ignatius (who according to ancient sources was a disciple of the apostle john).

  http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/anf-01/anf01-21.htm .

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  you, hooberus
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  Ressurection question

  by Sookie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm hoping someone can help me out.

  based upon the belief that death acquits a person of sin, do jws believe that all those (jws and non-jws) who die before armageddon arrives will be ressurected?

  just for my reference, can someone show me where this can be found in the bible?

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  dan

  1) No one said you did.

  2) Well, it would be refreshing for the scientific community to get to do the laughing for once. Usually they're the ones getting laughed at.

  3) Uh, no. The introduction says the Lamanite civilization (a civilization is a culture, not a gene) came from Jerusalem. The Book of Mormon also shows that the Lamanite BLOOD was mixed up with different groups of people. If you want to talk about culture then drop the DNA. If you want to talk about DNA then drop the culture. Yeah, I know where they came from, but a small group that eventually changed their entire culture came from Jerusalem. I once wrote this cool post about what some people found out about their civilization. I think you read it.

  4) Did I say anything about science? I said studies, and that includes a lot of different approaches, not just anti-mormon websites; some of the things it includes are those stories...sorry...those studies that I shared with you about corroborating the claims the Book of Mormon makes. I noticed you didn't address them. You just attacking the points you feel you have a chance with?