Posts by IWillBeDubbedNoMore

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What Assembly were you baptized at...

by vilot in

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i was baptized at the 1976 "sacret secret" dc at inglewood ca there must have been 50,000 people there..

Circuit Oversear for dinner..."sorry no time to talk" remember this! Like Jesus is coming!

by Witness 007 in

a sister rang and left a message to see how we are....but i called back the next day and she said...."oh sorry i have no time to talk, the circuit oversear is coming for dinner, can you call back?

" this reminds me of c.o dinners it's a major suck up...like jesus and his apostles are coming for dinner.

the pioneers like this sister always get the c.o to come over.. anyone had the pleasure?.

Back in the seventies my Aunt wanted my Uncle to receive some encouragement, so she put her name down for feeding the CO. She was selected for a week night meal. She was given a list of what foods were acceptable, seeing that the CO stomach didn't like certain foods. My Aunt prepared the meal and we all ate. After dinner my Aunt and Sisiter Jararcz went into the kitchen cleaning up. That left Jaracz, my Uncle and myself in the dinning room. My Uncle was concerned about an elderly sister that lived above the hall. The hall was actually an old house and it was going to be torn down and a new hall built in its place. He was concerned about were this sister would live. He tried to discuss it with Jararcz. Jararcz said " Well the Elders will handle that" and pick up the newspaper, held it to his face and read it. He had no interest in the isiter's plight. That was the end of my Uncle's encouragement. Somehow that did not get him back to the meetings.

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NWT - Accurately translated bible rumor

by Girlie in

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has anyone on here heard of this rumor or even know if this is true?

supposedly, on an episode of jeopardy, one of the questions asked was which version of the bible was considered the most accurately translated from the original hebrew and greek text and the answer was the new world translation.

i tried looking this up online to no avail.

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

I could be completely wrong, but I am of the opinion that I heard about this being on Jeopardy many years ago. Way before Trebek was the host. Perhaps it was on the show, but on the original. I know one thing for sure, that it could not have been in 2002 or 2004, because I haven't been to a meeting in ten years and I heard about it long before I left.

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 08-09-09 WT Study (JEHOVAH'S HOUSE)

by blondie in

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16:7-11.. *** scriptures inspired p. 82 par.

(a) how did jehoshaphat and judah receive direction?

what about josiah, did he always follow direction?.

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

Observing that the boundary wall between the Kingdom Hall and the neighbor's property needed repair, they offered to do the work at no cost. They worked hard and, in fact, rebuilt most of the wall.

P.14 Reminded me of my old hall. The property adjacent to the hall was owned by an elderly woman who had very little money. The house was in complete disrepair. The driveway of the Khall was only 3 or 4 feet from this house. The chimney of the house was leaning outward toward our driveway, causing great concern of someone being hit by a falling brick. Here was an opportunity to do exactly as this paragraph is speaking about, helping someone and showing how loving JW's are, which would have been easy because we had two bricklayers in the hall. Well what did the loving elders do? They called the local town authority and made a complaint. It was repaired a few weeks later.

Now the back story.It was hoped that when the time came that we could acquire this house and use the property for sorely needed parking. The lady turned her property over to the local Lutheran church and they repaired the chimney and wouldl be taking care of the home while she is alive.

So much for bringing praise to Jehovah

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Judge grants JW guardian right to refuse him dialysis tretament

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25891287-12377,00.html.

august 06, 2009.

// .module-subheader article from: australian associated pressa dying man has been granted the right to refuse life-saving medical treatment on the grounds of his religious beliefs.. the man, aged in his 70s and known only as "mr a", was unconscious when admitted to the emergency unit of a hospital run by the hunter and new england area health service on july 1. he was suffering from septic shock and respiratory failure.. despite receiving treatment, he developed renal failure and by july 14 was being kept alive by mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.. on that day a document prepared on august 19, 2008, and signed by mr a surfaced in which he indicated he would refuse dialysis.. the hospital took the matter to the nsw supreme court to ensure the man's refusal of medical treatment was legal.. today, justice robert mcdougall found mr a's directives should be followed "even if the likely consequence of giving effect to mr a's wishes ... is that he will die".. in the documents, mr a stated: "as one of jehovah's witnesses i direct my guardian to refuse consent for a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma to be given to me under any circumstances even if heath-care providers believe that such are necessary to preserve my life.".

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

straightshooter - That certainly could have been a factor. The Elders have a great influence over the congregation and whatever their personal views are will affect how they direct a congregation. Like you said, some congregations are more conservative than others and perhaps that is one of the reasons why the Society writes so vaguely.

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Judge grants JW guardian right to refuse him dialysis tretament

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25891287-12377,00.html.

august 06, 2009.

// .module-subheader article from: australian associated pressa dying man has been granted the right to refuse life-saving medical treatment on the grounds of his religious beliefs.. the man, aged in his 70s and known only as "mr a", was unconscious when admitted to the emergency unit of a hospital run by the hunter and new england area health service on july 1. he was suffering from septic shock and respiratory failure.. despite receiving treatment, he developed renal failure and by july 14 was being kept alive by mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.. on that day a document prepared on august 19, 2008, and signed by mr a surfaced in which he indicated he would refuse dialysis.. the hospital took the matter to the nsw supreme court to ensure the man's refusal of medical treatment was legal.. today, justice robert mcdougall found mr a's directives should be followed "even if the likely consequence of giving effect to mr a's wishes ... is that he will die".. in the documents, mr a stated: "as one of jehovah's witnesses i direct my guardian to refuse consent for a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma to be given to me under any circumstances even if heath-care providers believe that such are necessary to preserve my life.".

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

Blondie - Thank you for the quote. The Society can't just say it is a matter of conscience and leave well enough alone. They as you say speak out of both side of their mouth. When you search the article for what is the right choice, it isn't there and then you are afraid to do accept the treatment.

504deist - We are on the same page. I also am glad that the Judge ruled that way. I wasn't upset about the Judge's decision. I am angry that this man made this decision because of articles like the one Blondie quoted. I doubt he would have come to the same conclusion if it weren't for these articles.

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What made me take "The Red Pill"?

by God_Delusion in

what made me open my eyes after 30 years and smell the coffee?

and why did i accept the red pill, but my parents and everyone else is content with the blue pill?.

has anyone done any research as to what wakes us up?.

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

So what was it?

Great question God_delusion. I have been trying to figure that out myself. After taking the "Red pill" I tried to open my family's eyes by giving them fact after fact. Have been doing it for years and whatever I say just goes in one ear and out the other. They dismiss anything negative. It seems like they don't reason on what is presented. Like their minds shut down and go into a protective mode. It is unbelievably frustrating.

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Judge grants JW guardian right to refuse him dialysis tretament

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25891287-12377,00.html.

august 06, 2009.

// .module-subheader article from: australian associated pressa dying man has been granted the right to refuse life-saving medical treatment on the grounds of his religious beliefs.. the man, aged in his 70s and known only as "mr a", was unconscious when admitted to the emergency unit of a hospital run by the hunter and new england area health service on july 1. he was suffering from septic shock and respiratory failure.. despite receiving treatment, he developed renal failure and by july 14 was being kept alive by mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.. on that day a document prepared on august 19, 2008, and signed by mr a surfaced in which he indicated he would refuse dialysis.. the hospital took the matter to the nsw supreme court to ensure the man's refusal of medical treatment was legal.. today, justice robert mcdougall found mr a's directives should be followed "even if the likely consequence of giving effect to mr a's wishes ... is that he will die".. in the documents, mr a stated: "as one of jehovah's witnesses i direct my guardian to refuse consent for a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma to be given to me under any circumstances even if heath-care providers believe that such are necessary to preserve my life.".

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

I agree with you completely. Except when children are involved. What makes me sick is this man only refused treatment because of a false teaching of a few men in Brooklyn claiming to speak for God.

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Judge grants JW guardian right to refuse him dialysis tretament

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

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friends

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25891287-12377,00.html.

august 06, 2009.

// .module-subheader article from: australian associated pressa dying man has been granted the right to refuse life-saving medical treatment on the grounds of his religious beliefs.. the man, aged in his 70s and known only as "mr a", was unconscious when admitted to the emergency unit of a hospital run by the hunter and new england area health service on july 1. he was suffering from septic shock and respiratory failure.. despite receiving treatment, he developed renal failure and by july 14 was being kept alive by mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.. on that day a document prepared on august 19, 2008, and signed by mr a surfaced in which he indicated he would refuse dialysis.. the hospital took the matter to the nsw supreme court to ensure the man's refusal of medical treatment was legal.. today, justice robert mcdougall found mr a's directives should be followed "even if the likely consequence of giving effect to mr a's wishes ... is that he will die".. in the documents, mr a stated: "as one of jehovah's witnesses i direct my guardian to refuse consent for a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma to be given to me under any circumstances even if heath-care providers believe that such are necessary to preserve my life.".

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

Over the years I have helped people fill out their Health care proxies. The man in the article reminds me of an elderly brother that I went over the proxy with. He was so afraid of doing something wrong in God's eyes that he wanted no marked down on everything. Even if it was a conscience matter. If the Society had indorsed any of thise conscience matters, I am sure he would have had them marked yes.

The man in the article is especially upsetting to me because I was on dialysis for over 12 years. When I think of someone dying when there is a way to keep them alive it breaks my heart. It is even worse when it is a child.

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Judge grants JW guardian right to refuse him dialysis tretament

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

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friends

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25891287-12377,00.html.

august 06, 2009.

// .module-subheader article from: australian associated pressa dying man has been granted the right to refuse life-saving medical treatment on the grounds of his religious beliefs.. the man, aged in his 70s and known only as "mr a", was unconscious when admitted to the emergency unit of a hospital run by the hunter and new england area health service on july 1. he was suffering from septic shock and respiratory failure.. despite receiving treatment, he developed renal failure and by july 14 was being kept alive by mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.. on that day a document prepared on august 19, 2008, and signed by mr a surfaced in which he indicated he would refuse dialysis.. the hospital took the matter to the nsw supreme court to ensure the man's refusal of medical treatment was legal.. today, justice robert mcdougall found mr a's directives should be followed "even if the likely consequence of giving effect to mr a's wishes ... is that he will die".. in the documents, mr a stated: "as one of jehovah's witnesses i direct my guardian to refuse consent for a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma to be given to me under any circumstances even if heath-care providers believe that such are necessary to preserve my life.".

IWillBeDubbedNoMore

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25891287-12377,00.html

August 06, 2009

Article from: Australian Associated Press

A DYING man has been granted the right to refuse life-saving medical treatment on the grounds of his religious beliefs.

The man, aged in his 70s and known only as "Mr A", was unconscious when admitted to the emergency unit of a hospital run by the Hunter and New England Area Health Service on July 1. He was suffering from septic shock and respiratory failure.

Despite receiving treatment, he developed renal failure and by July 14 was being kept alive by mechanical ventilation and kidney dialysis.

On that day a document prepared on August 19, 2008, and signed by Mr A surfaced in which he indicated he would refuse dialysis.

The hospital took the matter to the NSW Supreme Court to ensure the man's refusal of medical treatment was legal.

Today, Justice Robert McDougall found Mr A's directives should be followed "even if the likely consequence of giving effect to Mr A's wishes ... is that he will die".

In the documents, Mr A stated: "As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I direct my guardian to refuse consent for a transfusion of whole blood, red cells, white cells, platelets, or blood plasma to be given to me under any circumstances even if heath-care providers believe that such are necessary to preserve my life."

A member of Mr A's congregation, who he had appointed guardian and is known only as Mr T, agreed dialysis was not something his friend would have wanted.

"(Mr A) was a simple man with an uncomplicated way of living. However, he was adamant about the things he didn't want," he told the Sydney court.

Justice McDougall said he could not make a determination as to whether, according to beliefs held by Jehovah's Witnesses, there was any biblical proscription of the treatment.

But he said as a competent adult Mr A had a right to chose what medical treatments he received.

"A valid refusal may be based upon religious, social or moral grounds or indeed upon no apparent rational grounds; and is entitled to respect regardless," he said in his written judgment.
"(But) the hospital acted rightly in taking steps to preserve his life whilst seeking the court's decision."