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  Newbies to screwbies, At what stag of recovery are you?

  by jst2laws in

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  at what stage of recovery are you?

  are you angry?

  are you depressed?

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  Bubbamar

  This is a great thread -- I love the variety of responses.

  After being df'ed for 18 years I am only now in the angry stage. When I was given the boot I think I let the pendulum(sp?) swing in the opposite direction and dealt with my pain with alcohol, drugs and variety of painful choices. I thought I was having fun! That lasted for several years, then I really got into recovery and went to counseling and quit the alcohol and drugs. Dealing with my mom still being in was and is very hard. I think for a long time I was just struggling to live like a "normal" person. Like trying to remember birthdays and trying to figure out christmas and trying to go to college. None of that was easy for me because from the time I was born I was told it was evil and wrong. Even though I didn't believe it anymore - it was hard to learn new ways.

  Then, out of the blue, I stumble upon all sorts of mind-blowing information on the internet and read Crisis of Conscious....and the anger stage is upon me!! I never thought that the JW's could be "proven" wrong. I thought the only way I'd ever know was if I died or if Armagedon came. Boy did I find out earlier than I thought!

  I know this stage will pass too. I try to pray for my mom - that's all I can do. I am resisting the temptation to send her the Franz book. I know to her that would only mean that now her daughter is not only DF'ed, gay, alcoholic...but also APOSTATE! She could milk that for TONS of self pity at the meetings! Haha "Now my daughter's an apostate, poor me, poor me."

  Talk about returning to vomit! ugh!
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  I didn't realize how much it had affected me...

  by Aztec in

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  the witnesses have infiltrated!

  anyway, love ya all!.

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  Bubbamar

  Way to go Aztec!! I'm happy for you that you found your voice! Just don't be disappointed if he never hears you or respects your thoughts or beliefs. I used to want to try to get through to my mom or try to get her to reason or logic on something. But its pointless - she's brainwashed! Good luck to you - its not easy. But life is good!
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  What gives you your spiritual high now?

  by poppers in

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  2. friends

  just wondering what sorts of things give you the "spiritual high" that you may have previously gotten from jw.

  another form of religion (within christianity or some other religion)?

  meditation?

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  Bubbamar

  I found my spirituality in AA - That program really helped me let go of my old understanding of a critical, harsh and punishing god and to develop a real spiritual relationship with the loving force in the universe. These days I KNOW that God is real, loves me and listens to and answers my prayers.

  But what gets me high spiritually?? Hmmm -

  Love, beauty in nature, my niece and nephew, Santa Fe, running, helping others, good conversation, really good coffee (well, that may be a chemical high ) to name a few things.
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  Benefit of UN affiliation??

  by Bubbamar in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hi - i know i'm a newbie and this question has probably been addressed before - so sorry - but can someone tell me the inside scoop.

  of what benefit was it to the wtbts to register with the un?

  i imagine it was of significant value to risk such a huge scandal.

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  Bubbamar

  HI - I know I'm a newbie and this question has probably been addressed before - so sorry - but can someone tell me the inside scoop. Of what benefit was it to the WTBTS to register with the UN? I imagine it was of significant value to risk such a huge scandal. But I also guess they knew they could manipulate their way out of it with their little mindless sheep!
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  "DF'ing does not prevent us from being decent,courteous,considerate,humane"

  by Englishman in

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  2. beliefs

  *** w74 8/1 pp.

  466-473 maintaining a balanced viewpoint toward disfellowshiped ones *** .

  13:1, 7.. 18 family members can carry out these scriptural obligations and yet not show themselves out of harmony with a congregational action disfellowshiping one of the family circle.

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  Xena - beautiful point!!
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  dawn bible students

  by bavman in

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  has anyone heard of the dawn bible students?

  they r basically russellites that i was told died out yrs.

  ago(not true).

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  Bubbamar

  Hi Bav

  Corporation or no corporation - Russell seems likes a crackpot to me. He had a pyramid for a tombstone - c'mon, what's that about...He had delusions that he was god's mouthpiece. I dunno...but whatever makes you happy -- go for it. Maybe you could try mormonism -- they get to wear cool underwear and even get to go door to door! Hahaha
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  Ray Franz question

  by Bubbamar in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if ray franz was "annointed" and part of the gb, thus also part of the fds, then according to the jw's doesn't jehovah use him to disseminate "truth" and "light" (i.e.

  books and watchtower articles)?

  so how could he be an apostate for having a new/different understanding of scripture and wtbts doctrine?

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  Bubbamar

  If Ray Franz was "annointed" and part of the GB, thus also part of the FDS, then according to the JW's doesn't jehovah use him to disseminate "truth" and "light" (i.e. books and Watchtower articles)? So how could he be an apostate for having a new/different understanding of scripture and WTBTS doctrine? Wouldn't anything he said have to be viewed as spiritual direction. Wasn't that his role?

  Again, where's the logic? Wake up JW's Sound's evil to me. Just like killing Martin Luther King and other truth tellers who were ahead of their time.
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  Similarities!

  by Voyager in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good moring everyone:.

  i had just thought briefly, that if american soldiers are to receive court martial, or some kind of discipline for (smiling) or giving the (thumbs up) over the deaths of iraq prisoners and victims--then perhaps jehovah's witnesses who give the very same (smiles) and approval of death victims, should likewise be disciplined as well.. look at these similarities.

  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6217.htm .

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  Bubbamar

  If they were given orders to kill "WatchtowerApostates" (like me)
  by their Leaders, would they hesitate

  Pretty scarry thought!
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  Apostates are very disappointing. I just found the WTS is true about them.

  by reason in

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  your conduct, attitude, manner of speech, avatar, all of these shows what sort of hearts you people have.

  i can't feel the holy spirit operating in you people.

  the first time i exposed myself to apostates, i was imagining matured people, more matured than the jw's.

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  Bubbamar

  god's vig. --- Freakin' hilarious!!
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  TWO more rebellions after Armageddon- is it REALLY "Paradise"?

  by gumby in

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  2. beliefs

  as witnesses, we believed that for a thousand years in the new system ....life would be grand.

  at the termination of the thousand year rule of jesus, we learned satan would be let loose and many paradise dwellers would follow him.

  why do you suppose the majority of mankind who had no satan or demons to influence them, would want to follow a wicked wiley snake who already got his arse kicked twice now already from god for rebelling.

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  Why do you suppose THE MAJORITY of (perfect) mankind who had no Satan or demons to influence them, would want to follow a wicked wiley snake who already got his arse kicked twice now already from god for rebelling.--Gumby

  Because the WTBTS told them to! That's why!

  (Tehehe)