Posts by Bubbamar

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"I Used to Have a Family..."

by Larry in

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friends

i was just reading a moving post by flower, that inspired this thread.

but i admit i am lonely for the comfort that a group of people called 'family' brings.

i used to have a family.

Bubbamar

I used to have a family: 2 parents, 2 grandmothers

I only lost my mom to the WTBTS but lost my dad and 2 grandmothers in death (all in the same 2 months). That was also when my mom stopped speaking to me completely. That was 6-7 years ago. Believe me, THAT sucked!!

Even though its only my mom who's still in - I think growing up that way definitely affected my relationships with other family members- aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. Because of not celebrating anything - we avoided them during the holidays because we knew they would be celebrating. Now I see holidays as an important time to bond if for no other reason than everone is off of work and school and has time to eat together and hang out.

I do have a new "family of choice" = very good, close and loyal friends. I am also so happy to have a sister who has 2 kids who I love and cherish. Too bad they live several states away :(

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In one word...

by mojobeans in

was wondering.

in one word, how would you all describe your experience/s in leaving the club?

mine would have to be cathartic

Bubbamar

Then: Scared

Now: Joy

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Coincidences?

by Agent 1 of 1 in

i've been doing alot more research than i ever have when i was a dub.

and i'm starting to realize its not just what the dubs teach that seem coincidental.

its what the bible shares.

Bubbamar

Agent

Wow. I'm not sure what the topic is since (1)the responses have been so - out there (2)I don't know what you mean by coincidences. But here are my questions.

We were meant to live forever and JW's are going to in the "New System." Really now. So NObody will EVER have an accident? Say, get struck by lightning? Trip and fall and crack their head open and die? Fall in a river? No one will EVER get mad, get into a fight and accidentally kill someone? Also since they are always pictured wandering the valley with lions and tigers- does that mean that humans will then be vegatarians? And all animals will therefore have nothing to fear from humans. Will all animals also become vegetarians and not want to eat us? The bite of poisonous snakes and spiders will have no effect on humans?

People don't just die because of sickness or other human imperfections. There are other causes.

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Newbies to screwbies, At what stag of recovery are you?

by jst2laws in

at what stage of recovery are you?

are you angry?

are you depressed?

Bubbamar

This is a great thread -- I love the variety of responses.

After being df'ed for 18 years I am only now in the angry stage. When I was given the boot I think I let the pendulum(sp?) swing in the opposite direction and dealt with my pain with alcohol, drugs and variety of painful choices. I thought I was having fun! That lasted for several years, then I really got into recovery and went to counseling and quit the alcohol and drugs. Dealing with my mom still being in was and is very hard. I think for a long time I was just struggling to live like a "normal" person. Like trying to remember birthdays and trying to figure out christmas and trying to go to college. None of that was easy for me because from the time I was born I was told it was evil and wrong. Even though I didn't believe it anymore - it was hard to learn new ways.

Then, out of the blue, I stumble upon all sorts of mind-blowing information on the internet and read Crisis of Conscious....and the anger stage is upon me!! I never thought that the JW's could be "proven" wrong. I thought the only way I'd ever know was if I died or if Armagedon came. Boy did I find out earlier than I thought!

I know this stage will pass too. I try to pray for my mom - that's all I can do. I am resisting the temptation to send her the Franz book. I know to her that would only mean that now her daughter is not only DF'ed, gay, alcoholic...but also APOSTATE! She could milk that for TONS of self pity at the meetings! Haha "Now my daughter's an apostate, poor me, poor me."

Talk about returning to vomit! ugh!

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I didn't realize how much it had affected me...

by Aztec in

jw
friends

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the witnesses have infiltrated!

anyway, love ya all!.

Bubbamar

Way to go Aztec!! I'm happy for you that you found your voice! Just don't be disappointed if he never hears you or respects your thoughts or beliefs. I used to want to try to get through to my mom or try to get her to reason or logic on something. But its pointless - she's brainwashed! Good luck to you - its not easy. But life is good!

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What gives you your spiritual high now?

by poppers in

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friends

just wondering what sorts of things give you the "spiritual high" that you may have previously gotten from jw.

another form of religion (within christianity or some other religion)?

meditation?

Bubbamar

I found my spirituality in AA - That program really helped me let go of my old understanding of a critical, harsh and punishing god and to develop a real spiritual relationship with the loving force in the universe. These days I KNOW that God is real, loves me and listens to and answers my prayers.

But what gets me high spiritually?? Hmmm -

Love, beauty in nature, my niece and nephew, Santa Fe, running, helping others, good conversation, really good coffee (well, that may be a chemical high ) to name a few things.

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Benefit of UN affiliation??

by Bubbamar in

hi - i know i'm a newbie and this question has probably been addressed before - so sorry - but can someone tell me the inside scoop.

of what benefit was it to the wtbts to register with the un?

i imagine it was of significant value to risk such a huge scandal.

Bubbamar

HI - I know I'm a newbie and this question has probably been addressed before - so sorry - but can someone tell me the inside scoop. Of what benefit was it to the WTBTS to register with the UN? I imagine it was of significant value to risk such a huge scandal. But I also guess they knew they could manipulate their way out of it with their little mindless sheep!

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"DF'ing does not prevent us from being decent,courteous,considerate,humane"

by Englishman in

*** w74 8/1 pp.

466-473 maintaining a balanced viewpoint toward disfellowshiped ones *** .

13:1, 7.. 18 family members can carry out these scriptural obligations and yet not show themselves out of harmony with a congregational action disfellowshiping one of the family circle.

Bubbamar

Xena - beautiful point!!

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dawn bible students

by bavman in

has anyone heard of the dawn bible students?

they r basically russellites that i was told died out yrs.

ago(not true).

Bubbamar

Hi Bav

Corporation or no corporation - Russell seems likes a crackpot to me. He had a pyramid for a tombstone - c'mon, what's that about...He had delusions that he was god's mouthpiece. I dunno...but whatever makes you happy -- go for it. Maybe you could try mormonism -- they get to wear cool underwear and even get to go door to door! Hahaha

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Ray Franz question

by Bubbamar in

if ray franz was "annointed" and part of the gb, thus also part of the fds, then according to the jw's doesn't jehovah use him to disseminate "truth" and "light" (i.e.

books and watchtower articles)?

so how could he be an apostate for having a new/different understanding of scripture and wtbts doctrine?

Bubbamar

If Ray Franz was "annointed" and part of the GB, thus also part of the FDS, then according to the JW's doesn't jehovah use him to disseminate "truth" and "light" (i.e. books and Watchtower articles)? So how could he be an apostate for having a new/different understanding of scripture and WTBTS doctrine? Wouldn't anything he said have to be viewed as spiritual direction. Wasn't that his role?

Again, where's the logic? Wake up JW's Sound's evil to me. Just like killing Martin Luther King and other truth tellers who were ahead of their time.