Thanks everyone for all the reponses. I got plenty of stuff to try out. She might be a little young for the UN thing but I think the history of the witnesses is a good avenue to try. Appreciate the responses. I'm going to tread slowly and try not to overload her. I think my goal is to get her to wait over trying to get her out if it all right now. That will give me more time to work with... and who knows you still have alot of growing to do when you are 15. Oh ya I was raised in it and kinda faded when I moved out. I didn't really learn the truth about the truth until about 5 years later. I'm 11 years older than her. Thanks again Grog
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8The Best way to talk with my JW sister???
by Grog ini have a younger sister who is 15 and very willing to debate the witness doctrine with me.
she is planning on getting baptized in about 6 months and i'm against it and even my witness mom who has been a witness for 15 years thinks she should wait.
but of course my sister is getting it from all angles with a study and an older sister who is a fresh baptism and very fervent for the "truth".
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The Best way to talk with my JW sister???
by Grog ini have a younger sister who is 15 and very willing to debate the witness doctrine with me.
she is planning on getting baptized in about 6 months and i'm against it and even my witness mom who has been a witness for 15 years thinks she should wait.
but of course my sister is getting it from all angles with a study and an older sister who is a fresh baptism and very fervent for the "truth".
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Grog
Hello all
I have a younger sister who is 15 and very willing to debate the witness doctrine with me. She is planning on getting baptized in about 6 months and I'm against it and even my witness mom who has been a witness for 15 years thinks she should wait. But of course my sister is getting it from all angles with a study and an older sister who is a fresh baptism and very fervent for the "truth".
She counts time we debate as study time and is willing to really talk with me and look stuff up in the bible I bring up.
I'm wondering for those that have had sucess in this arena what are the best tools and methods to try to ... umm open her eyes?
I can probably use any avenue for this but she has the mindset like any good witness that they are the truth and the only ones that teach the truth. Therefore they are infallible in her eyes. I just want her to stop and think about it perhaps.
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What are the best sites for videos, news, etc?
by AK - Jeff ini want to use this high speed connection now, but i have had dial up so long i don't know the best places.. mostly i would like to watch news footage and other interesting world events, that kind of thing.. .
jeff .
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Hmm.. my homepage is www.yahoo.com It has a news section and a popular section with some ap stories. your best bet is to try a couple that people post here and see what works for you. www.msnbc.com www.cnn.com Fox news if that is your shtick See what works for you.
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question for Atheists with children?
by unbeliever inwhat do you tell your children about god or his lack of existance?
i know i have a long time before i have to deal with this but my jw mom did ask me what i will teach my son about god.
i have no plans to tell him god is real.
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This is an issue I'm going to have to deal with down the line and I'm not sure how to do it either. Mine is a bit different. My wife is jewish and I frankly have no idea what I "am" She is on the fence about how to raise the kids when we have them but she really enjoyed her childhood but I think it was more of a cultural spiritual upbringing than the one I recieved as a witness. Her mom however is all about of course you need to raise the kids with religion and god. My family is full blown witness still and since I faded and never got baptized I'm still ok to hang out with. However i'm sure when I have kids they are going to get a huge dose of it from that angle. Personally I'm fine with raising children with some sort of spirituality I just don't want it to be exclusivist or separatist. Which... excludes almost all organized religion. So I think to sum it up I need to pay attention to this threads responses. Its a tough issue and one of the reasons we are waiting a couple years to have children. Good luck Grog
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Ever fail as an Apostate?
by Dune inlast saturday i was talking to a witness relative and the subject about book studies came up.
all of the sudden, she started talking about how she was kind of bothered by the fact that we werent studying from the bible as opposed to a book during the book study.
she went onto say that people in other religions new more about the bible than witnesses, but witnesses just had head knowledge of what the society was writing in the books.
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I have to say that this is a kind of situiation were not getting baptized lets me get away with more. When I'm talking to my family about this kind of stuff I can be a little bit more forward with my ideas without having to water it down. If you aren't baptized witnesses will always have a hope of converting you and you can sometimes use that as an opening to have conversations on some taboo stuff. I know that if I say got baptized years ago and left the witnesses later that I wouldn't have the same freedoms.
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What is the difference between a beneficial religion and a damaging one?
by jwfacts inwhat is the difference between religion that benefits its members and one that harms them?
most people would agree that a religion that resorts to terrorism is damaging.
most here would also agree that the wts is a damaging religion.
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I think beneficial religions are inclusive While Damaging religions are exclusive. However most of the time a religion turns out exclusive in order to convince people that if they are a member of this relgion they get the special prize, usually heaven or paradise or some virgins or whatever. If they are not a member they usually get something like hell or eternal sleep or whatever the flavor the week is. Thats not to say that exclusive relgions don't do beneficial things.. I just think that in the long run all the exclusivity and seperatness is what drives people apart.. which is the opposite of what religion is supposed to do. My thoughts...
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Say You're a Bethelite & Monitoring JWD - How Would You Feel About THESE??
by Seeker4 ini'm talking about the new posters, like kitten whiskers, who started posting today (hope this works: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/120817/1.ashx).
and it seems like we're getting a few like this nearly every day.
people who were raised jws, really worry that they are doing the right thing in leaving, yet who have been made to feel not good enough by the wts, who felt they never measured up, who struggled with it, but came to realize that what they'd been brought up to believe was just not the truth.. the same stories are told over and over again, and they come from sincere, good people - not whiny, fault-finding apostates like the rest of us riffraff around here!
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I just wanted to say that I really appreciate this thread. I'm just amazed at the number of current elders and lurkers that have their first post on this thread. Could you ever imagine anything like this at a kingdom hall where people could freely say what they feel and question what they have been taught? It just feels right. I've noticed a couple posters saying how they stick with the witnesses even though in their heart they don't belive it in the hope that they can help people who are still in. Sometimes just the act of leaving really opens the eyes of some people. For example if brother so and so who is a great upstanding brother left...there must be something I don't know about it. Personally there was a couple in my hall that I really looked up to and admired.. and then out of the blue I heard that the husband had disassociated himself from the witnesss. I was very curious and found out that he was upset about something to do with the child abuse policy of the witnesses and from there I did my own research which round about led me to knowing so much more about the witnesses. I was so curious as to why this great couple had decided to leave that it led me do some more in depth research and question more what I took for granted before. Sometimes the best good you can do is by setting an example. Anyways great thread. Grog
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Were your parents a different religion before JDubism?
by Crumpet ini know an awful lot here are 3rd and 4th generation - but were there any who's parents become dubs as adults?
i'd be interested to here what it was that made an adult become a jw when not brought up that way?.
i'll relate my parents experience shortly...but its something i;ve been thinking about a lot.
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Lets see... My dad was raised catholic and was an alter boy for awhile though he wasn't the one that went into it first... which seems to be a pattern. My mom I don't think really belonged to any set religion. Her parents were old fashioned and she mentioned reading a bible a bunch growing up but we never went to a church before the witness one. I'm really not to sure why on my parents... my dad eventually got sucked in as anyone does in this faith I think. My mom thinks that witnesses are the only ones that teach what really happens after death.. and the real hope for the future etc. I remember we started in 1984 come to think of it.. the irony of it all. Now my dad has kinda drifted, he still likes to spout it when he has been drinking but he makes maybe 10% of the meetings. I don't think he buys it all.. he likes to read to much but my mom hasn't read a non JW Book in like 20 years no joke. So she is super sucked in... nothing in the bible can be wrong etc. At least she is cool to me and knows how I feel. So happy I never got baptized. My family minus dad is away at the convention in SF tomorrow, I think I had to turn down the invite like 10 times. good question btw crumpet.
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Has being a Jehova's witness totally shattered your faith?
by Silvia Plath injust because the watchtower society is wrong doesn't mean that there is no god, nor does it mean there is a god.
it would interesting to now how former members have adjusted thier cosmology, or whether they are now atheists and why.
i personally see religion as a more personal matter, rather than belonging to an organization.
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At first I just drifted away from it all and didn't really care about theology etc... but once my family has become more immersed in it I've actually read more of the bible and thought about it.. and I have to say that the bible isn't for me. I think its just early mans myths and stories put into a book. I guess I'm not to sure what to think about god and it all but I can say that nothign I've seen yet really gets my attention. All of christianity puts a foul taste in my mouth and from what I've seen most organized religions have either the "with us or against us" motto which I abhor. So after thinking about it... I would have to say that my "faith" was shattered by being a witness. But I don't think thats a bad thing in my case.. more people need that expierence.
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My son retains his super heavy weight title
by rekless inclearlake's walker retains cage fighting title by staff reports
lakeport -- when you step into the gladiator challenge ring, all the talkin' is over.
collins.
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Awesome reckless! I didn't know you lived so close to me.. I had a friend who fought in that show but I didn't get to see it. His name was charlie ashurst if I remember right. I'm in Ukiah and a huge fan of MMA tell your son congrats.