reslight2
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I have found the truth about the truth now...
by truthseeker12 ini am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.
however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.
a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.
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I have found the truth about the truth now...
by truthseeker12 ini am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.
however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.
a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.
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Last but not least Charles Taze Russell, Pennsylvania and JF Rutherford could not be people or places that god the creator chose for waken up to the Christian church...this is impossible. It is very easy to see the tracks to Masonic, Satanism, and pagan origin.
What are you referring to as "track to Masonic, Satanism, and pagan origin"? Specifically, what Masonic, Satanism, and paganism are you referring to?
http://ctr.reslight.net/?tag=freemasonsMy conclusion so far is that the true belief is to get out of all religions and accept Jesus Christ as your only savior
This is precisely the message that Charles Taze Russell (who was never associated with the JW organization) preached, although in reality, many of his associates began to treat the Bible Students Association itself as another denomination.
http://ctr.reslight.net/index.php?s=%22true+church%22Christian love,
Ronald
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What Are Your Favorite WT Quotes/Teachings? Most Ridiculous or Hilarious Ones.
by mentallyfree31 inwhen you look back over the 130 year history of wt, what is the most bizzare/ridiculous/hilarious/absurd teaching or quotes that you have found?.
one of the ones i find hilarious is during the beth-sarim affair, rutherford announced that the world was laughing and mocking them because they don't believe the resurrection is going to come to pass when they said it was.
rutherford went on to say in effect "we will show them when people start coming back from the graves"... lol.
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To me, the most ridiculous statements I have read in the JWs' Watchtower is that concerning the idea that they had the truth concerning the "ransom sacrifice" in 1918, and thus God chose their "organization" as his representative.
According to the modern-day Watchtower leaders, Messiah "came to inspect his slaves in 1918." (The Watchtower, March 15, 1990, page 13) According to this same Watchtower:
"Well, by then [1918], who had given sincere truth-seekers the correct understanding of the ransom sacrifice....?"
The answer given is:
"The facts show that it was the group of anointed Christians associated with the publishers of the magazine Zion's Watch Tower and Herald Christ's Presence...."
(One should note that in 1918 that although Rutherford seemed to be proceeding with his new "organization" ideas, there was actually no "Jehovah's witnesses" organization in 1918.) The statement given would lead one to the conclusion that the Watchtower today is not teaching the truth. How so? If The Watch Tower was printing the truth about the ransom-sacrifice in 1918, then what the modern-day Watchtower is teaching cannot possibly be true, since they are not teaching the same thing concerning the ransom sacrifice as was taught in 1918.
What is the teaching of The Watchtower of today concerning the ransom-sacrifice? The March 15, 1990 Watchtower answers:
"Jesus came `to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.' ( Mark 10:45 ) But who are the many? Adam is evidently excluded because he was a perfect man who deliberately chose to disobey God and died as unrepentant, willful sinner."
The article goes on to say:
"The course taken by each individual determines whether he will benefit from Jesus' sacrifice. Like Adam, the willfully wicked do not have the ransom merit and eternal life forced upon them. As Christ said: `He that exercises faith in the Son has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.' ( John 3:36 )"
Thus The Watchtower of today would basically make all who disobey the Watchtower leaders [who supposedly represent Jesus] in this life as willfully wicked, and receiving no benefit from the ransom. (This disregards John 12:46-48 , which shows that those who disobey Jesus today will be judged in the resurrection day. In this life, the wrath, inherited from Adam, simply remains upon him.) Likewise, according to the present-day Watchtower leaders, Adam would receive no benefit from the ransom.
Now compare this with The Watch Tower of 1918 (August 15, 1918):
"When this ransom price shall have been formally delivered over to Justice in the end of this Gospel age, then, it will ... have been exchanged for Adam and his posterity, the world of mankind, all of whom will be immediately transferred by the Father to the Son, that the work of the Millennial Kingdom may begin. The ransom price is designed to bring to Adam and his race the earthly life and the earthly life-rights and honors which were lost in Eden through disobedience." (Italics added by me. See Reprints, page 6314)
Again in The Watch Tower of October 1, 1918 (Reprints, page 6337), we find this statement:
"As in the one man Jesus Christ both Adam and all his children will be justified from the original condemnation, that which came upon the human race because of Adam's disobedience."
Please note that in the two quotes above, from the early The Watch Tower in 1918 that the ransom is presented quite differently from that in 1990. In 1918 Adam and all his posterity are to benefit from the ransom. In 1990, according to present-day Watchtower leaders, Adam will receive no benefit from the ransom, nor will many billions of mankind living today that might be destroyed during the destruction of Satan's world.
A little reflection on the above should lead one to see that if Zion's Watch Tower was teaching the truth concerning the ransom in 1918, then what The Watchtower of today is teaching is false, for they do not teach the same thing. Of course, just because the whole world receives benefits from the ransom of Jesus does not mean that "everlasting life" will be "forced" upon them, so this argument is really a strawman argument against the "ransom for all." It only means that they will be given full opportunity to come into harmony with Yahweh and His Son, Jesus. Those of the world who then refuse will eventually be eternally destroyed in the second death at the end of the 1,000-Year Reign of Jesus when the Kingdom is returned to the Father. ( Revelation 20:7-9 ; Psalm 37:9 , 10 ; Matthew 25:41 , 46 ; 2 Thessalonians 1:9 , 10 ; 1 Corinthians 15:24 ) With The Watch Tower of 1918 I am in general agreement on this; therefore I am in disagreement with The Watchtower of modern times which would deny that Jesus gave his life as "a ransom for all." ( 1 Timothy 2:5 , 6 ) It is this "ransom for all" teaching that will actually vindicate Yahweh as not only the rightful ruler, but that his ways are best in all things. It is only through the "ransom for all" that all the wicked will come to know Yahweh. Psalm 83:18 ; Compare Ezekiel 16:62 , 63 .
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What Are Your Favorite WT Quotes/Teachings? Most Ridiculous or Hilarious Ones.
by mentallyfree31 inwhen you look back over the 130 year history of wt, what is the most bizzare/ridiculous/hilarious/absurd teaching or quotes that you have found?.
one of the ones i find hilarious is during the beth-sarim affair, rutherford announced that the world was laughing and mocking them because they don't believe the resurrection is going to come to pass when they said it was.
rutherford went on to say in effect "we will show them when people start coming back from the graves"... lol.
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reslight2
serenitynow!: Miracle Wheat too, insane.
Nothing at all wrong or insane with Miracle Wheat, except for the insane evil false accusations that have come about concerning Miracle Wheat!
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What Are Your Favorite WT Quotes/Teachings? Most Ridiculous or Hilarious Ones.
by mentallyfree31 inwhen you look back over the 130 year history of wt, what is the most bizzare/ridiculous/hilarious/absurd teaching or quotes that you have found?.
one of the ones i find hilarious is during the beth-sarim affair, rutherford announced that the world was laughing and mocking them because they don't believe the resurrection is going to come to pass when they said it was.
rutherford went on to say in effect "we will show them when people start coming back from the graves"... lol.
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reslight2
Russell: "A truth presented by satan himself is just as true as a truth presented by God. Accept truth no matter where you find it, no matter what it contradicts" Zion's Watchtower, July, 1879, pp. 8-9.
Nothing wrong with this, not unless you want to believe that a truth spoken by Satan must be a lie simply because he spoke, so that you will end up not believing the truth but will believe that the truth is a lie.
http://ctrussell.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/a-truth-presented-by-satan/
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5 Ends of the World that came and went (JWs get a mention)
by Simon inthey must be so proud, lol.. the funny thing is that the jw end-of-the-world-ists actually came from a branch of the previous failed bunch.
what losers!.
http://roadtickle.com/5-ends-of-the-world-that-came-and-went/.
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The year 1914 saw the Great War break out in Europe, but the world still refused to end. This was highly inconvenient, because Russell had promised eternal life to “millions” who witnessed the events of 1914.
Charles Taze Russell was NOT expecting the "end of the world" in 1914, as that term is meant by most people. He did not even believe the "end of the system of things" fully in the same manner as the JWs teach it. Russell believed that the time of trouble, however long it may last, was for the disciplining of the nations, not to bring eternal destruction of unbelievers. Nor was he, at least for ten years before 1914, expecting the Gentile kingdoms to all be gone by or in the year 1914.
http://ctr.reslight.net/2009/12/16/end-1914.html
The latter sentence, pertaining to an alleged promise of Russell (I know of no such promise in the manner stated) seems to be distorting and attributing some of Rutherford's statements to Russell. Nevertheless, when the millions of unbelieving people who witnessed the events of 1914 are raised in the resurrection of the unjust, they will indeed be able to believe and obey at that time, and thus depart into everlasting life. It is the promise of Jesus himself that the time will come (the last day) when the unbelievers will come forth in the resurrection by means of judgment. (John 5:28,29; 12:47,48) Through his apostle Paul the promise is made that as by means of Adam, all are dying, so by means of Christ all are made alive. -- 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.
http://hereafter.reslight.net/archives/152.html
Let them praise Yahweh for his lovingkindness, For his wonderful works to the children of men!. -- Psalm 107:31, World English.
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5 Ends of the World that came and went (JWs get a mention)
by Simon inthey must be so proud, lol.. the funny thing is that the jw end-of-the-world-ists actually came from a branch of the previous failed bunch.
what losers!.
http://roadtickle.com/5-ends-of-the-world-that-came-and-went/.
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The Society’s founder Charles Taze Russell, who had only several years of schooling but a great deal of business sense, at first affiliated himself with a group that expected the world to end in 1873.
While Charles Taze Russell was the principle founder of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, that legal entity as he formed was not to hold "authority" over congregations. Russell did not believe in an authoritarian organization such the Jehovah's Witnesses. The JW doctrine of a "visible organization of God" on earth that is alleged to have sole authority to speak for God came about after Russell died. Russell did not believe in such a doctrines.
Russell probably had the equivalent of at least a Bachelor's degree before he formed the Watch Tower Society. He had been privately tutored in secular education as well having more than seven years of instruction from Bible students who had come before him.
I do not know any group that he affiliated himself with in 1873 other than the independent independent Bible study group in Pittsburgh, PA, but, at least from what Russell himself wrote it is highly unlikely that this group was expecting the "world to end in 1873." There were some of the Second Aventists who were claiming that the planet Earth would be destroyed by fire in 1873, but Russell himself certainly did not hold to such a view. His own words concerning that time were:
I was not a convert, either to the time [1873] he [Jonas Wendell] suggested nor to the events he predicted. I, in company with others in Pittsburgh, organized and maintained a bible class for the searching of the Scriptures, meeting every Sunday.
We reasoned that, if Christ’s coming were to end probation, and bring irrevocable ruin upon ninety-nine in a hundred of mankind; then it could scarcely be considered desirable, neither could we pray with proper spirit, “Come, Lord Jesus, Come quickly!” ( Revelation 22:20 ) We had rather request — much as we should “love his appearing” — that he remain away and our sufferings and trials continue so that “if by any means we might save some.” ( 2 Timothy 4:8 ; 1 Corinthians 9:22 ) Not only so, but great masses of scripture referring to the Millennial glory and teaching that “All nations which thou hast made shall come and worship before thee,” &c., &c., would be left unfulfilled if at His coming there should be a wreck of matter and a crush of world. — Psalm 22:27 ; 67:2 ; 72:11 ; 86:9 ; Isaiah 2:2 ; 25:7 .
We first saw Millennial glory — then the glorious work which is offered us as His Bride; that we are by faith the “seed of Abraham;” and as such, heirs of the promises, &c., in whom “all the families of the earth shall be blest.” (Galatians 3) This most certainly points to a probation in the future after He has come. Thus, speedily, steadily and surely God led us to recognize the second coming of our Lord as being not the sunset of all hope to mankind, but the “rising of the Sun of Righteousness with healing in his wings.” — Malachi 4:2
The Lord gave us many helps in the study of His word, among whom stood prominently, our dearly beloved and aged brother, George Storrs, who, both by word and pen, gave us much assistance; but we ever sought not to be followers of men, however good or wise, but “Followers of God, as dear children.” ( Ephesians 5:1 ) Thus growing in grace and knowledge for seven years, the year 1876 found us. — 2 Peter 3:18 . -- Supplment to the first issue of the Watch Tower, July 1, 1879.
Thus, in 1876, Russell had seven years of theological training behind him. However, 1876 was three years before Russell began publishing "The Watch Tower" in 1879, and it was eight years after 1876 when Zion's Watch Tower and Tract Society was legally incorporated.
However, it is important to note that, while Russell, before the year 1876, held great interest in the manner, purpose and effects of Christ's return, it was not until that year that Russell became interested in any date pertaining to that event. 1876 was two years after 1874, but it was in 1876 that Russell's attention was drawn to the work of N. H. Barbour, and the thought that Christ had returned invisible to human eyes in 1874. Russell had already concluded that Christ's return would not be in the flesh, for he had become thoroughly convinced that Jesus had sacrificed his flesh, and thus would return with a body of flesh, but rather with an invisible spiritual body. He was surprized to see that someone else had come to similar conclusions, and thus took an interest in what Barbour had to say about Christ's invisible return in 1874. Again, however, this was two years after 1874 had passed; Before 1873 and 1874 Russell never entertained any thought of Christ's return in either date.
Looking back on the time before Russell began to work with Barbour, Russell laments:
While he believed a bonfire to be the end of the world, and that probation ended with it, Bros. Geo. Storrs, Henry Dunn and others were preaching and writing of “the times of restitution of all things which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy Prophets.” ( Acts 3:21 ), and that “In the ages to come, God would show the exceeding riches of his grace.” ( Ephesians 2:7 ) Again, of what value would it be to know the time if we know nothing of the manner of Christ’s coming?
In other words, although Russell and others, before 1874, were interested in the "restitutrion" that was to follow Christ's return, Barbour had been preaching that the world (meaning the planet earth especially) would be destroyed by fire, and Barbour did not seem, at that time, to be interested in the restitution promises. In that sense, however, Russell did not even believe in the "end of the world" as that term generally meant at that time. Russell certainly never believe in any "doomsday," nor did he believe in an Armageddon such as the JWs teach. His view of Armageddon was that it was a period of time when the nations would be disciplined (not eternally destroyed) so that they may be prepared to accept the King Jesus.
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The brainwashing knows no bounds.........Russell defended in every way!
by iknowall558 incharles taze russell - official website.
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I agree with RR in that when I first saw the site, I wondered how it could be called the "official" site concerning Russell. Several years before that site went up, I started a subsection on my website about Charles Taze Russell, and was trying to think of something to put in the title that would distinguish it from the many anti-Russell sites. At that time, the only Bible Students site online that I remember was the Chicago Bible Students, but if remember correctly, there wasn't much on it. I could not find any site that was in defense of Russell, and thought of putting the word "official" in the name of the site as a distinguishing word, but decided not to use that since I felt that only Russell himself could actually authorize someone to designate a site as "official" regarding him, and I did not wish either to leave the impression that I was claiming the authority to speak for Russell. At any rate, while I believe that there is a lot good info on the "official" site, there are also some things I disagree with and/or that I at least question.
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What's the Deal with "Pyramid Inches"?
by cameo-d in.
why did russell count them?.
does the pope count them, too?.
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[[[In ancient times the easiest way to measure things was to use the most convenient measuring tools available that anybody could afford to own: your OWN BODY PARTS!
Yes, you could use your own foot to measure "feet".
You could use the width of your thumb to measure an inch (call it by whatever name you like.)
The distance between your outstretched middle finger and your nose would be a yard.
That's how it works. It was called a RULE OF THUMB for this reason.
But, no two people had the same sized body parts. You needed a standard.
You would standardize these measurements by taking the King's body parts and using HIS proprietary measurements and making them the fixed certainty by which all other things would conform. That is why it is called A RULER. (King=Ruler, get it?)]]]
Man's creator is not subject to any of the above. Nor was the knowledge we might attribute to the people when the Great Pyramid was constructed of that great of importance as it is the Creator's knowledge that is of importance.
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What's the Deal with "Pyramid Inches"?
by cameo-d in.
why did russell count them?.
does the pope count them, too?.
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[[The Pyramid represents the organization of the illuminati and the powers of the darkness. ]]
Are you suggesting that the so-called illuminati had the Great Pyramid constructed to match many things in the Bible before the Law was even given to Moses? If the Great Pyramid is of the powers of the darkness then it would follow that the Bible is of the powers of darkness.