this absolutely upsets me!they always keep doing this garbage, putting people into harm's way by not telling them the whole information!and plus, any blood info from australia is likely biased... the two jw's they hired to manage blood transfusions in australia are doing an excellent job at doing propaganda.
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This absolutely upsets me!
They ALWAYS keep doing this garbage, putting people into harm's way by NOT telling them the WHOLE information!
And plus, any blood info from Australia is likely biased... the two JW's they hired to manage blood transfusions in Australia are doing an excellent job at doing propaganda
the august 2015 awake continues a cherished watchtower tradition: misquoting / cherry picking scientists.. it is clearly a selective use of information because when you read what they are saying, you know they are saying "life is complex, therefore, god.".
whereas the scientists, although they show admiration for life and how amazing it is, also recognize that we are getting closer and closer to understanding the origin of life.
it doesn't seem like it takes a supreme being to make life when you read the next paragraph in the actual quote.http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201508/dna-in-your-cells/.
Guess the nice people at Reddit beat me to it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/37mbl4/by_evolution_we_mean_macroevolutionapes_turning/
"A number of respected scientists say no. These include Dr. Gene Hwang and Professor Yan-Der Hsuuw. Consider what they say.
Dr. Gene Hwang studies the mathematical basis of genetics. At one time he believed in evolution, but his research changed his view. “The study of genetics,” he told Awake! “provides insight into the mechanisms of life—an insight that fills me with awe for the Creator’s wisdom.”
Professor Yan-Der Hsuuw is the director of embryo research at Taiwan’s National Pingtung University of Science and Technology. He too once believed in evolution—until his research led him to conclude otherwise. "
http://imgur.com/YvbzwUy
Well... quote a JW who's a mathematician, not a biologist, and quote a person who was in a Christian university?
Shame!
the august 2015 awake continues a cherished watchtower tradition: misquoting / cherry picking scientists.. it is clearly a selective use of information because when you read what they are saying, you know they are saying "life is complex, therefore, god.".
whereas the scientists, although they show admiration for life and how amazing it is, also recognize that we are getting closer and closer to understanding the origin of life.
it doesn't seem like it takes a supreme being to make life when you read the next paragraph in the actual quote.http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201508/dna-in-your-cells/.
the august 2015 awake continues a cherished watchtower tradition: misquoting / cherry picking scientists.. it is clearly a selective use of information because when you read what they are saying, you know they are saying "life is complex, therefore, god.".
whereas the scientists, although they show admiration for life and how amazing it is, also recognize that we are getting closer and closer to understanding the origin of life.
it doesn't seem like it takes a supreme being to make life when you read the next paragraph in the actual quote.http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201508/dna-in-your-cells/.
The August 2015 Awake continues a cherished Watchtower tradition: Misquoting / cherry picking scientists.
It is clearly a selective use of information because when you read what they are saying, you know they are saying "life is complex, therefore, God."
Whereas the scientists, although they show admiration for life and how amazing it is, also recognize that we are getting closer and closer to understanding the origin of life. It doesn't seem like it takes a Supreme Being to make life when you read the next paragraph in the actual quote.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201508/dna-in-your-cells/
By David Deamer
Pages 244-245
according to apocalypse delayed, russell got many of his ideas from a conference called albury park.. .
here are the sources of his ideas for eschatology:.
and lastly, here are the sources for the ideas that jw's claim make them "the truth": rejection of the trinity, hell, and the inmortal soul..
Hi Magnum, yes, this is all in Apocalypse Delayed. Excellent read! And it is available in a Kindle version for like 20 bucks or so.
To the best of my understanding, my diagrams present correctly the information found in the 1st chapter of Apocalypse Delayed.
according to apocalypse delayed, russell got many of his ideas from a conference called albury park.. .
here are the sources of his ideas for eschatology:.
and lastly, here are the sources for the ideas that jw's claim make them "the truth": rejection of the trinity, hell, and the inmortal soul..
According to Apocalypse Delayed, Russell got many of his ideas from a conference called Albury Park.
Here are the sources of his ideas for eschatology:
And lastly, here are the sources for the ideas that JW's claim make them "the truth": rejection of the trinity, hell, and the inmortal soul.
i want as many minds put into this as possible.. there is a new argument among the extreme jw apologists, saying that even the disciples promoted mistakes.
they base themselves on john 21:23. keep in mind, i am not a believer but i want the answer from a believer's standpoint, please.. .
nwt:.
Thank you very, very much everyone!
You all are AWESOME!! =)
I answered very much like the responses to this post, and that person never came back. Complete knockout!
i want as many minds put into this as possible.. there is a new argument among the extreme jw apologists, saying that even the disciples promoted mistakes.
they base themselves on john 21:23. keep in mind, i am not a believer but i want the answer from a believer's standpoint, please.. .
nwt:.
I want as many minds put into this as possible.
There is a new argument among the extreme JW apologists, saying that even the disciples promoted mistakes. They base themselves on John 21:23
Keep in mind, I am not a believer but I want the answer from a believer's standpoint, please.
NWT:
(John 21:23) 23 In consequence, this saying went out among the brothers, that that disciple would not die. However, Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but: “If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you?”
Some Bible commentaries:
#1
Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If. . . .—The mistake of the brethren arose from their not attending to the force of the conditional particle. They took as a statement what had been said as a supposition, and understood it in the then current belief that the Second Advent would come in their own generation. (Comp. 1Corinthians 15:51-52; 1Thessalonians 4:17.)
#2
Then went this saying ... - This mistake arose very naturally:
1. From the words of Jesus, which might be easily misunderstood to mean that he should not die; and,
2. It was probably confirmed when it was seen that John survived all the other apostles, had escaped all the dangers of persecution, and was leading a peaceful life at Ephesus. This mistake John deemed it proper to correct before he died, and has thus left on record what Jesus said and what he meant.
Then went this saying abroad among the brethren,.... It not being rightly understood by some one or more of the disciples present: it was divulged with a wrong sense annexed to it among other persons; who, though not of the eleven, yet were followers of Christ, children of God, that belonged to the same family, and were, in a spiritual relation, brethren to each other, and to the apostles:
that that disciple should not die; but should remain till the second coming of Christ, and be found among them that shall be then alive, and be changed. And such a notion not only was among the ancients; but Beza, in his notes on this text, tells us of a strolling wicked fellow, that gave out that he was the Apostle John; and was encouraged by some, particularly Postellus, a Sorbonic doctor, but was afterwards burnt at Tholouse.
Yet Jesus said not unto him he shall not die, but if I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? These are the words of John himself, the disciple spoken of, who gives a true and just account of Christ's words, freeing them from the false sense that was put upon them; which shows his ingenuous disposition, his integrity and love of truth; being unwilling that such an error should obtain among the disciples, and pass in the world for truth.
My question is:
How do we respond to this? Was error PROMOTED AS TRUE DOCTRINE BY THE APOSTLES?
I think there is a tremendous fallacy here... a) the saying was not inspired.b) it was corrected by an inspired writer, John, c) the "brethen" could be anyone, not necessarily the apostles, d) it was a rumor, but it never appeared in the Bible as true doctrine.
Any other responses to this?
Thank you!
i waited a week to avoid any spoilers.. last week's episode was harsh, to say the least.. a live burning-at-the-stake of a child to please the gods.. and yet, we have conventions taking place around the world - with bravos to those parents who sacrifice the emotional well-being of their children by shunning them.
clap-clap-clap.. what is worse, killing them outright, or the long, drawn-out emotional sacrifice demanded by the modern-day baal, gb 2.0?.
Can I talk about the last episode??? Please???
reuters - april 1st, 2015, new york.
cults merge in a $10 billion transaction.
the cults known as "jehovah's witnesses" and "scientology" announced on wednesday their merger.. observers on both religions are shocked.. "i can't believe that they would do that!
REUTERS - April 1st, 2015, New York
CULTS MERGE IN A $10 BILLION TRANSACTION
The cults known as "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "Scientology" announced on Wednesday their merger.
Observers on both religions are shocked.
"I can't believe that they would do that! I mean, our beliefs are so different!! They believe in some space god, and we believe in the only true God, Jehovah!", said Michael Spencer, a Jehovah's Witness from Iowa.
Both PR reps in both religions tried to appease their followers by trying to point out the benefits:
J.R. Brown, from the Jehovah's Witnesses, said: "What our dear brothers and sisters must see, is that this is a blessing from Jehovah. Now we have even more ways of shunning, and even more words to add to the pure language! For example, before we only had disfellowshipping, now we have disconnection! We only had the words "apostate" and "Bethel", now we have "supressive person" and the "SEA Org"!"
Although David Miscaviege, the director of the Scientologists, is very happy about the merger, he said there were some challenges ahead.
"We had to get rid of the Governing Body. It was too many leaders, it is best if I run this show. But no worries, they all have wonderful compensation packages, close to $100M each. We also fired the legal team of the Witnesses... They suck!! I mean, losing the Candace Conti case? Our lawyers won against the U.S. Government! Also, we are going to get rid of other useless departments such as their PR department. Brown doesn't know."
Only one Governing Body member spoke, on condition of anonymity.
"Many people will be shocked. I know. We even chose the day right, April 1st, normally called April's Fools, to mess around with people's heads. They won't know if it's a joke or not".
