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  Eisenhower used WT Bible when sworn into office

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

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  joel rosenburg was on tv a few minutes ago talking about eisenhower's background.

  he mentioned that his father left the religion after the end of the world did not happen in 1914 and that his mother continued.

  then he mentioned that when he was sworn into office, he had his hands on a bible published by jehovah's witnesses.

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  It's hard to see the "American Standard Version", but it's there.
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  Eisenhower used WT Bible when sworn into office

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  joel rosenburg was on tv a few minutes ago talking about eisenhower's background.

  he mentioned that his father left the religion after the end of the world did not happen in 1914 and that his mother continued.

  then he mentioned that when he was sworn into office, he had his hands on a bible published by jehovah's witnesses.

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  ILoveTTATT2

  That was the Bible used.
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  Eisenhower used WT Bible when sworn into office

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  joel rosenburg was on tv a few minutes ago talking about eisenhower's background.

  he mentioned that his father left the religion after the end of the world did not happen in 1914 and that his mother continued.

  then he mentioned that when he was sworn into office, he had his hands on a bible published by jehovah's witnesses.

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  Words omitted from a Watchtower article

  by Doug Mason in

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  2. bible

  a short time ago i sought information regarding a quotation in the watchtower of april 1, 2010, which did not identify the exact source of the quotation from professor oskar skarsaune.

  my interest was heightened because words had been omitted from the source.. the wts provided a copy of the original 29-page article, which is in norwegian.. here is my very unofficial personal translation of the passage from professor skarsaune's article that the watchtower is quoting.

  firstly i provide the text as it appears in the watchtower magazine, highlighting where the text has been omitted.

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  Actually, Tim, the words

  "but was the result of a process in which many churches in all parts of the church were involved, and where the selection"

  Completely change the meaning of the quote from the WT's viewpoint. The WT wants it to seem like there was no "Catholic" or central church that decided upon the NT canon, but the reality is that there was. It was "the church" as a whole that decided the canon, an already existing entity.
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  The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

  by Focus in

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  most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

  this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

  so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

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  I agree with Focus here. I have investigated Russell quite a bit and I am shocked at how much even respected JW historians like Penton dismiss the Miracle Wheat episode as not being too important. We might despise Rutherford, but that's only because Russell hid a lot of his dealings. Finally, EdenOne saw the reality of things.
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  Long time lurker, first time poster ...

  by LettMorrisSplaneit in

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  i finally had the guts to create a profile to be able to post.

  i've been lurking for a few months and have read all your experiences and comments dutifully.

  you have been a great help in my process of waking up from this cult posing as the one true religion.

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  Welcome! I am glad to see you and many others wake up!

  =)
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  Happy Pi Day

  by dothemath in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  tomorrow is march 14 (3.14), so its known as pi day, to honour the all-important constant.. incidentally, the bible has been criticized by mathematicians because the scriptures give a very poor value of pi.. the scripture is based on 1kings 7: 23 and reads as follows:.

  "and he proceeded to make the molten sea ten cubits from its one brim to its other brim, circular all around; and its height was five cubits, and it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it".

  now that shape is actually mathematically impossible to construct, because if the diameter is 10 cubits, the circumference would have to be 31.4159 cubits.

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  One of the many, many reasons why it is, yes.

  Here's a lot more of them:

  http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/numeric.shtml
  
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  Happy Pi Day

  by dothemath in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  tomorrow is march 14 (3.14), so its known as pi day, to honour the all-important constant.. incidentally, the bible has been criticized by mathematicians because the scriptures give a very poor value of pi.. the scripture is based on 1kings 7: 23 and reads as follows:.

  "and he proceeded to make the molten sea ten cubits from its one brim to its other brim, circular all around; and its height was five cubits, and it took a line of thirty cubits to circle all around it".

  now that shape is actually mathematically impossible to construct, because if the diameter is 10 cubits, the circumference would have to be 31.4159 cubits.

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  The "inner diameter" would have to be ~9.55 cubits so that the rope aound it would be 30 cubits. Kind of an odd measurement...

  This blog explains why the apologist explanations are wrong:

  http://evolutionblog.blogspot.mx/2006/01/bible-implies-that-pi-is-three-deal.html?m=1
  
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  Almost three months since Crisis of Conscience Cease and Desist

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  i am very interested in getting crisis of conscience being fully available as soon as possible.

  march 12th will mark exactly three months since the cease-and-desist letter was written.. i understand that things are slow and that deborah may be sick, but i was just wondering if anyone knew the status.

  i have been asked twice already where the book can be obtained in spanish and i have told people that the book is not available.. there are ways to make ebooks extremely hard to share.

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  Just FYI,

  My bad. I had not written an email to Deborah, I thought I had. Now I have, and will await for her response.
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  Almost three months since Crisis of Conscience Cease and Desist

  by ILoveTTATT2 in

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  2. friends

  i am very interested in getting crisis of conscience being fully available as soon as possible.

  march 12th will mark exactly three months since the cease-and-desist letter was written.. i understand that things are slow and that deborah may be sick, but i was just wondering if anyone knew the status.

  i have been asked twice already where the book can be obtained in spanish and i have told people that the book is not available.. there are ways to make ebooks extremely hard to share.

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  So I asked around in my webpage if people thought that CoC was important for their awakening.
  
  One person responded:
  
  "That book was so decisive in my exit from the cult that I can tell you that if I hadn't read it, I probably would not have gone out. At least not as sure as I was when I did leave."

  Then I asked him how he had read the book. His response:
  
  "When I read it, I read it in English in PDF format and then I bought it on EBay in English. I could never get it in Spanish even though I looked for it high and low so that my parents could also be able to read it. I even contacted the editorial in Spain that for a short while legally printed it. So finally I downloaded the Spanish PDF from the internet and I made a printed copy and it ended up being well. But obviously for personal use and not for sale."
  
  I will contact Deborah to know about the status, but, although there are other books that are useful to help others come out of the cult, one must realize that NOTHING has the same weight as someone who was in the Governing Body.
  
  Penton wasn't in the GB, nor was Carl Olof Johnsonn. But Franz was.
  
  In any case, Penton´s books are only in English, as far as I know.
  
  Times of the Gentiles reconsidered is very widely available in PDF format in Spanish, and as far as I know, it is freely available for download, so the issue of copyright or paying for that book is not in issue.
  
  But really, let´s consider what book would wake up a JW faster and easier:
  
  A book by an ex member of the GB, dealing with things that a Mexican JW, for example, would INSTANTLY know he is telling the truth (Cartilla issue), or a very in depth book that requires sitting down and reading it a couple of times before you even get it, from an author that was never in the GB?
  
  Not everyone is as lucky as I am, I speak 4 languages, I am completely bilingual Spanish-English. If the info is not in Spanish, a lot of JW´s are left in the dark, and people will do everything they can, even downloading a book in PDF form, to help their relatives wake up.
  
  Again, not trying to be a jerk, just highlighting how pressing the issue is.