Happy Birthday Rich.............
HappyDad
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my thoughts are with you on your first birthday as a free person.
Happy Birthday Rich.............
HappyDad
yesterday afternoon, i recieved 2 text messages from an anonymous source that read :.
(person that turned you in) i turned you into your brothers for your own good.
gal ?:?
This is my first post regarding what is going on in Richie's life. I am very proud of this young man and would do whatever I could for him.
One thing I wish all of us could do is.............SOMEHOW...................have an international BIRTHDAY BASH in a few days.
Any chance of throwing a get to gether anywhere..............in honor of Richie?
This dude ROCKS..
HappyDad
our good friend dan sydlik died today about 2 pm eastern time.
he was the last of the moderating forces on the gb.
lately he has had little influence among the ted (aka the boss) jaracz (head of the bethel cia - the service department) henchmen and loyalists.
So far the replacements have been < 70 and long time reporters to Jaracz. Will it be more or less likely for this trend to continue as more of the old guard dies off and more of the new guard are pro-Jaracz?
Yes!
The society will claim that TJ is the strong arm being used by Jehovah because of all the attacks coming from us devil led apostates.
Most likely he will be compared to some of the biblical heroes such as Moses.........or someone of no "letters".........who Jehovah uses for theocratic warfare.
TJ is just another "Judge" Rutherford...........someone with enough balls to use the IFS method of ruling. INTIMIDATION, FEAR AND SARCASM. The yes men under him are too afraid to say anything but YES. They might not have a home if they say anything from their heart. And they might actually have to learn what a real job is............and what paying real bills is.
Need I say more?
HappyDad
he, and his family are going through a tough time right now.
he got a call that his dad has a tumor, and also found something in his liver, believed to be cancer.
i just wanted everyone to let him know we are all here for him and his family!.
JH.........
My thoughts and prayers are with you at this time.
It was my dad's birthday 2 months ago, and I said happy birthday to him and gave him a gift. Since I became a witness many years ago, I never said happy birthday to him, just ignored saying it, but 2 months ago, I did and gave him a gift. He didn't expect it, and was happy.
I understand because I ignored my Dad for too many years. I'm just glad that I got close to my Dad the last few years of his life and wish I could have gone back 30 more. I bought him something on his birthdays and he was happy. His love for me was always there. I'm just so sorry that for so many years......I though of him as nothing because he wasn't a dub.
JH......cherish every moment you can at this time. You will get through this. I'll help you buddy. And so will many others here.
HappyDad
i've been thinking of how all of our lives have changed from learning about this religion and getting out.
probably no one has done more to help us understand the truth about "the truth" than raymond franz.
of course there were others that questioned dates, prophecies and dogma but it was ray franz that revolutionized the organization.
To paraphrase another saying......................
IF YOU LOVE YOUR FREEDOM (religious) THANK RAY.
HappyDad
cannot say that i was a big fan of his style of music, but the man was a legend.
he wrote some stuff too.
he was a trouper, touring to the last .
I always liked Gene Pitney in the 1960's. I would put him in the same category as Roy Orbison with the very distinct voices that they had.
As far as the song runaway........Dell Shannon recorded the song Runaway in the very early 1960's.
Not sure if that is the one you are refering too.
HappyDad
i was driving to work today and the news came on...i heard the name betty whitten being charged for murder on 2 counts.
i knew the name but wasn't sure at that point if it was the betty whitten i knew from libertyville, illinois...then her disabled daughter was mentioned, we called her "kiki".
"kiki" had been stabbed by her mother betty whitten.
This is truely a tragedy that only the mother knows the reason why she did it. My heart goes out to her at this time and also to the dead "Kiki".
What I don't understand is the comments made to Emma. She has been called harsh, judgemental and bitter.
Why?
The only comment I see from Emma on this post is....................
I'd be interested to know if there was still the JW connection. She probably got no help or support from the congregation in caring for her daughter, but they wouldn't have wanted her to have "worldly" help, either. The elders would have told her it was her load to carry.
I would also agree to what Emma stated from my own experiences. From the comments made toward her.......it sounds like faithful JW's bashing her statement.
Please reread what she said or tell me what I am not understanding.
HappyDad
well, april 15 is fast approaching and i can procrastinate no longer.
so in preparing the figures for the tax man, i started looking at where our money is going.
something hit me as i was half way through.
I'm with you guys. Since I left.....my attire is jeans and sweatshirts or flannel in the winter and shorts that are either denim or khaki with t shirts or safari type shirts in the summer. Can't remember the last time I put my Florsheims on. Most of my kicken' shoes are Sketchers or Rebok.
I kept a few sport coats and one suit but they will never fit me until I lose 30 pounds. Recently I have been thinking of buying a nice pair of pants and a sports coat that fit because I can see that I might have to attened a few funerals in the coming year or so. That sucks!
HappyDad
did any of you go to prison either in the vietnam era, or earlier?.
i was in severel prisons:.
mount lemon, tucson.
To those of you who went to prison for being believing JW's and those who are veterans...................
I appreciate, respect, and honor all of you.. What you faced as individuals is unique and sometimes hearbreaking.
My mother became a JW in 1961 and bombarded me with JW crap. I fell for most of it.......but in my mind.........I wasn't strong enough to bear all the responsibility of being a JW. I kept to my own way of life but felt constantly guilty for not getting "dunked" and being a full fledged door knocker.
In 1966 I got drafted and tried claiming the conscience objector stand. It didn't work!
So I went to basic training at Fort Benning, Georgia (Harmony Church) and from there went to Fort Belvoir, Va to the 91st Combat Engineer Battalion. On arriving in Fort Belvoir, I had to go to an interview. At that interview........the officer questioned me about the consciencious objector stand I wanted to take. I went into a lot of detail about how I felt about war and killing and how I thought the Bible view was. But I never would claim a JW stand. That was never mentioned and no one ever knew.
The officer was really understanding about how I viewed things and said they wanted to put me in the medical corps.........but there was no opening there. Then he thought the motor pool might be a good place for me.
Somewhere in this interview/conversation I said to him that I would like to have the entire consciensious objector stand taken out of my record since I really didn't understand it fully and I was confused. He said that in his opinion and his experience, he thought I might have been influenced by someone or something. (if he only knew).
Well........it was stricken from my record and before I left the interview (I don't remember how long it was) he said I was recommended to the ADM Company. He went on to explain that ADM stood for Atomic Demolition Munitions and that I would be investigated to get a Secret Security Clearance.
It took two months for this to happen and during this period I was on permanant barracks duty. (military term for janitor) Then I went to school for about another 2 months to learn how to set up and detonate ADM's. (sure glad I never had to do the real one during the Tet Offensive)
My two years in the Army.......as I now look back............were a good two years for me. The only part that haunts me is all the time trying to hide my true feelings and still wanting to fit in with the men I relied on and they on me........despite all the JW brain washing I was getting from my mother. Guess I can blame my late mother for most of this but even so..........I believed but was not strong enough (as JW's say... to take my stand for Jehovah and the Truth) (I now know that is pure "horse hockey"........as Colonel Potter from MASH 4077 used to say) My way of thinking then ....reminds me of the Airforce pilot about 8-9 years ago who flew his jet into the mountains and killed himself. His mother was a JW and her constantly bombarding his mind with JW think affected him beyond what is normal.
The most memorable experiences that I chose to remember are being assigned to the peace march in Washington, DC in 1968 (or was it 1967) and making the comment that I would rather be with the hippies who were demonstrating against the war (man...did I get flack over that statement)(my company's assignment was to protect the Pentagon's power plant......we were on the roof and had a fantastic advantage point to see all that was happening) and again in Washington, DC for the riots following Martin Luther Kings assassination. Other things I chose not to remember but they rear their ugly head from time to time.........I salute and pray for the guys who didn't come back or who were severly wounded. (I'll say a little more further down this post)
One thing I have not done but hope to do before I die is go to the Wall in DC. Guess I am afraid of all the emotion that no doubt will surface when I do.
Now for the clincher. After I got out of the Army in June, 1968, I partied....smoked a little weed.......popped some acid and pills......went back to hanging with my motorcycle club with the name of "The Loser's" and fornicated for awhile. I was my old self! But then I allowed the JW brainwashing to take hold. (I had never been in a KH until this time) I allowed the pressure from my mother (I was still living at home) to convince me that I should study with brother M.....h and go to meetings. Like a complete idiot.....I did!
That's when I met the wonderful girl that was to become my wife. I sometimes wonder if I only became a JW to have her for the rest of my life!
In 1983 I was showing the infamous signs of post traumatic stress syndrome. So many memories from my Army time were giving me nightmares. I was waking up crying and calling the names of my buddies. I cried and wailed because they were gone.........their families didn't have them anymore........and here I was.......safe and sound without so much as a scratch. One of my friends in high school upon arriving in Nam was killed on his second day there. As many of you know from other types of stress............you......as I......was told to rely more on Jehovah.........do MORE ministry. What a fu@kin& crock of bull shite encouragement that was! I think that was the beginning of my future alchoholism. My Dr. who also was a "dub".....gave me Zanax. If you don't know......booze and Zanax isn't the best combination for a mixed drink! But somehow I got through it all. I know it was the love of my wife that got me through the worst of it. But we also used to say that Jehovah was behind me overcoming all of it. Once again......I say.......BULL SHITE. Now I'm not blaspheming the name of God from the OT......but I'm not stupid either. (at least not anymore)
Sorry to have gotten off track........but my emotions have been strong reading this thread.
To uninformed, Terry and others here.........I honor the stand you took with the understanding you had at that time in your life. Please don't consider that time to have been time in vain. When all of that was happening in your life.........it was what you believed or was told to believe. You guys were victims and you did what had to be done.
Now you are free and can talk freely about these experiences.
All of us love you for who you are. You don't have to show us any numbers at the end of the month to gain our approval........and in turn you are here for us!
To the younger ones on JWD. Please take note of what these people went through. Respect them and learn from their experiences.
You too have to put up with a different generation of crap.........but in the end......no matter how much you shine JW shite..................it is still shite.
Endure..........overcome..........be happy............LIVE
HappyDad
hey everyone .
just wondering , anyone here from upstate new york?
I love upstate NY.......especially Irondiquoit Bay and the Lake Ontario shoreline towns. Fairport and anywhere along the Erie Canal. And all the finger lakes and towns. Let's not forget Webster... and Letchworth State Park. Some of the most beautiful country I have ever seen.
Do I love upstate NY?
I sure hope to spend time there once again in the future.
HappyDad