I don't think change is possible. Or it is but it wouldn't be honest and it'd be like ... it'd be like one of us going back into the borg and cutting off an aspect of ourselves again.
As a female, I like men. I've enjoyed women but I crave men.
i don't know, you'd think we'd be used to reading crap like this but it still gets my goat.. nic' .
*** w74 8/15 p. 487 is change possible for homosexuals?
thinking transformed.
I don't think change is possible. Or it is but it wouldn't be honest and it'd be like ... it'd be like one of us going back into the borg and cutting off an aspect of ourselves again.
As a female, I like men. I've enjoyed women but I crave men.
this is the start of an article i am writing about the challenges of jw/ex-jw couples face when trying to find friends.
i need your help, finging me ideas on where to find friends, how to make friendships, and how to keep them.. tetrapod.sapien asked for this topic.
but i decided to tackle it a little differently than my polls.
Oh my God, you sound like me!
the fact that in the very beginning god created man and then woman and placed them in the garden of eden, then he told them that they could partake of all the fruits from the trees but that they shouldnt touch his tree.
the tree of knowledgethat is like putting cookies in front of a kid and telling them that they cant eat them.
then he allowed satan to speak to eve (through the serpent) and convince her to eat and then she would know all that was good and bad.
I should first say that i'm not Christian so ... what the Bible has to say about God vs the Devil is of no importance to me.
BUT - I do not think God has set us up for failure at all. God has set us up to learn and to express ourselves. Anything more than that isn't important to me. I do believe in some for of afterlife (but in an energetic sense since energy is transformed, not destroyed, etc). I don't believe in Satan and his demons. I do believe in tricky "spirits." I do believe in guardian angels.
OP (Original Poster), I think you should look deep within YOURSELF. Try to give yourself between one wee and one month to keep the tv/radio and other noise off. Stay away from things that willl influence how you look at life for a while. meditate (for me, this means doing a deep housecleaning) and you'll find yoru truth i have a feeling. This is how i did it. v you might dsagree with some of the things I believe but who's to say who's right and wrong.
Religion and OTHER PEOPLE'S VIEWS confuse people.
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what percentage would you say came into your old or current congregation(s) via the door-to-door witnessing?
it is understood that your response is a guestimate.
Only the foreigners. They wanted to learn English but then some of them really got into it. Most of these people were Chinese. They were the rebellious ones who left their country for education and to learn about the forbidden Bible.
To live authentically now that I have the freedom to. But I get really scared! Frustrating.
i know many people will get angry at this, but i had to share some observations i've had since i discovered this board a couple of days ago (see my original post under "why all the venom?").
i'll be very honest and say that i was hoping that i would discover that the jw's were wrong about some things, including the so-called "apostate" sites (i have been recommended to some internet sites and some books that i plan to investigate further).
i was hoping to find that people really didn't need the jw's "spiritual food" to remain true to god.
What makes you think that people need the JW's "spiritual food" to remain true to God/ What does "remaining true to God" even mean to you?
You really don't know any of us. So I'm wondering how you come to the conclusion that we've all become extremists. And if we all HAVE become extremists - it would make sense since we're so accustomed to living in an extreme way. And, as someone earlier said, a lot of us are discovering ourselves NOW. So how we are this year might be quite different next year. I was very impressionable my first year out. That's expected.
If someone here is trying to prove that the Bible is all bunk, so be it. That is how that person choosees to express her/his anger twds the organization. What does that have to do with you? And why are you disturbed by something that has nothing to do with you?
Yes, I've abandoned organized religion. Why is organized necessary? i'm not a "religious' person. I don't need THAT aspect of what some might describe as spirituality. i pray on my own in my own way. It works for me and i feel like God and the Universe bless me when I do this and honor/worship in this way. I was NOT blessed as a JW. I was miserable and emotionally detached.
I went through a SHORT phase of thinking that what the JW's believe is true. But then I prayed on the matter and discovered, JWs are wrong. At least - they're wrong for ME. To each her/his own.
I'm a naturalist. Naturalists can't hang in JW organization. They don't repect anything natural in life and they eat crap, do n't care about the environment but think they're still acceptable to God because they don't fornicate or listen to rap music. Whatever. (This is a REALLY shallow statement i know; I have lots of reasons for why i think they're not "Godly")
this is such a huge issue for me.
i don't want anyone to tell me what to do or how to live.
in part this is due to the control that the wts and the elders had over my life.
This is a huge issue for me as well. If I don't feel free in some way, i get out or I get angry.
Work - I create my own schedule and I will not work in an environment where a higher up is breathing down my neck. I freelance for the most part.
Relationships - i feel the need to be in control and the thought of being in a serious relationship scares the mess out of me. i have felt confined in the past.
Other situations - if i feel someone is trying to make me do something, there is a big problem.
did you forfeit a college education, a great paying job which would've kept you from the meetings, a career, a trade, your loved ones, a vacation, etc.
so that you could be a good little witness?
cheerleading, a dance career, finding myself earlier in life, out-of-state college (I DID go, but i had to live at home), social grace (I feel like i've had forced "friendships" my entire life)
But i have no regrets.
Lots of paranoia about "spiritism." If JWs were so connected to Jehovah, why were they so afraid of Satan and his demons? JWs fear anything and everything that is foreign to them or that they just don't understand.
I was looking through their book on the various religions -- totally off when it comes to voodoo and african/carribean faiths. WAY off. But it was obviously researched and written by someone who didn't know diddly about it.
Paranoia about reading apostate literature. If you have such a strong faith in your beliefs, why would reading a book you KNOW counters the JW teachings be detrimental to your relationship w/ God?
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as a jehovah's witness did you ever have a personal relationship with god?.
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I feel that I did. But I didn't fear "him." I didn't pray much b4 baptism. I prayed frequently thereafter. i got the feeling Jehovah didn't want me there living as a JW. I looked at JWs as a bunch of liars and hippocrites. I couldn't see them through rose-tinted glasses at all. WHen I wasn't praying, I thought that I was the bad person in the mix. AFter my baptism I realized that I wasn't really a bad person.
I was honest w/ my prayers. I prayed for guidance, etc. The best guidance I received was to leave the organization and to get honest w/ my Mom.
I still pray a lot. not necessarily to "Jehovah." One in a while I might mistakenly slip the name in. But, that's OK. Sometimes saying "Jehovah" makes God more tangible since it's so familiar.