Its been my experience that ex-bethelites sometimes make the best x-jws.
Axel
Axelspeed
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Bethel Downsizing Again!
by zack ini do not know if any of you have heard.
no one in my congo.
other than one other elder on the body has heard:.
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I'm going to give you one more chance.
by LDH ini hope all of you genx-r exjw will get a kick out of this story from my childhood.
i was just talking to jt and he says i should post it..... my daughter is studying wwi history in school.
i told her that when i was in 10th grade, i had a social studies teacher named nancy galbraith.
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Axelspeed
These stories and remembering my own mindset at the time I was a jw reminds me to give new posters and those on there way out a little slack.
I mean we really really really bought into this stuff hook, line and sinker...and there was no one who was going to convince us otherwise!
Looking back, ...its so embarassing.
Axel (of the uggh! class)
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I'm going to give you one more chance.
by LDH ini hope all of you genx-r exjw will get a kick out of this story from my childhood.
i was just talking to jt and he says i should post it..... my daughter is studying wwi history in school.
i told her that when i was in 10th grade, i had a social studies teacher named nancy galbraith.
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Axelspeed
LMAO!
I think that even puts my 10th grade biology paper on evolution to shame...which was pretty detailed and laid out itself.
I was deep, but not Actually bring info on League of Nations into the classroom deep.
Axel
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College deletions?
by Collegegurl inaccording to our new co, elders nor their children are allowed to go to college.
my dad is being deleted.
evidently new material was presented at the elder school.
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Axelspeed
I asked earlier if this might be some new directive that COs will start implementing as they make there rounds. More likely it is the crusade of a few gungho COs...but we can hope.
There are way too many jws, elders and there wives included, going after a degree or taking courses for this not to become an issue. Maybe some will start to think.
Axel
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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006
by BluesBrother ini have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.
memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).
most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!
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Axelspeed
They got rid of food service at assemblies
A little off topic, but I think this was one of their first mistakes. Somehow they forgot the little things that made it at least a little fun to be a jw...or at least bearable.
In any business, there are expenses that you just know you will incur. In other words you have to give the people at least something to keep them happy. Somehow, some beancounter started slashing everything, thinking that it was the spiritual food that made being a jw a fun thing.
There are many things I regret about being a jw. But the fun times I do remember as a jw kid, were the assembly breaks with my friends, scouring for the hoagies danishes chips shasta colas and whatever else and running around the corridors.
Fast forward to today...shorter lunch breaks and people bring there own food. The result: People stay at their seats during breaks, roam and mix less, kids dont run and play as much. People dont mix and laugh as much.
This is only one example. If the people arent happy, a lot of them will ultimately leave.
They have forgotten that you have to keep people at least somewhat happy...you have to give them something. What exactly do they offer besides more meetings, fieldservice and personal study. They have succeeded in ripping all things fun from this religion.
Axel
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Is the Watchtower Society strong enough to win this war with the internet?
by jack w incould it be that the wts actually thinks it can win this war?
i mean, they are forcing sites to close down, suing the people that run them etc.
i wonder if this is the way they want to "handle" the internet problem.
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Axelspeed
No, they seemingly do not understand it yet, much less have the ability to defeat it. Unless they already know its a losing battle and are simply trying to hang on.
I could possibly see that the more technical savvy (lawyers and financial people) already know this and are simply doing what they are told by those who are not so internet savvy but who are the powerbrokers and doctrine enforcers, and have the power. Being that this is and has been their life, they simply play out the string...perhaps just hoping to get an education, live well and safe on the WT's dime in the meantime, and then leave ultimately for other pastures in the future if necessary. Obviously this is only speculation.
Back to the question though - the internet is here to stay for the foreseeable future, and the changes so far are only the beginning. For though who are kids now, you simply will not be able to function well without the internet. Yes people have gotten by without college. It will be much much more difficult without the internet. It will simply become a way of life.
People research everything now. Before we step, we look...on the internet. Those looking to join the WT will be no different. Kids of jws will search the moment they log on.
They are showing that their achilles heel is the internet. If it wasn't, every piece of nonprofit, lifesaving, and inspired literature they have should be online.
This is not the Dark Ages when information found in books had to be tediously written or printed on presses that were difficult to move or hide, and then when found could simply be burned. This is digital information that once on the web, can be simutaneously downloaded and saved.
Even we are still learning...once a new quote site goes up, we zip it and save it. You can't burn digital information, much less stop it.
Most corporations have already seen this and reacted accordingly for their own survival. The problem for the WT is there past. They refuse to acknowledge past mistakes openly, ...cut their losses and move forward. They simply do not have it within themselves to do this. Nor do they have anyone with the charisma and clout to take the reins and do what needs to be done.
When the WT failed to embrace the internet, they lost.
Axel
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Quotes Mirror Sites: Attempt at Making a Single Place to Report Sites
by Check_Your_Premises init appears that the work around for the quotes site will be a long term effort.
as the wt plays whack-a-mole with the new sites that pop up, we need to know where the new ones pop up.. so here is my attempt to bring some order to this process.
let's make this a running thread where we put all our links to the mirror sites.. the downside is that the wt will know where to go to find out where the new sites are they have to squash.. the upside is that it is alot easier to put a site up then it is for the wt to take them down!!!.
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Axelspeed
The downside is that the WT will know where to go to find out where the new sites are they have to squash.
I think that your downside might outweigh the upside.
If there are more sites out there than I know about or can even find, I consider that a good thing. I understand your premise though.
Axel
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Wow, new website! Pay Attention book, WT 2004 CD, Quotes all online
by kwintestal inauld soul posted about a mirror site at www.reexamine.org/quotes/index.htm and so i checked it out.
i went onto the homepage www.reexamine.org and surfed around a bit and clicked onto the "community portal" and found a download section: .
http://www.reexamine.org/index.php/reexamine:community_portal:publication_downloads:secret_publications .
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Axelspeed
while this may true, it is going to be like killing roaches- they just live on
I don't see how the WT could not see this coming based on the past history of the revolving door of the organization. The door has revolved so much, and couple that with the walk-aways and df'd, and it is easy to see that they have made many enemies.
Well actually I can see how. As progressive/creative as they are in some areas, in others they are still living in the past, and believe and expect that others do so too.
They have not really cared about this (the internet) or former members...until now. They didn't see the internet coming, and it is becoming increasingly evident that they still have not grasped the scope of its reach, power and the implications.
Did they really believe that requiring Quotes to destroy his copies would be the end of this information? If so, they really do not have a clue about this internet thing. If anything, it has now increased exponentially. This is not 1950. This is the information age! If it can be known, it will be.
Congrats to all the new mirrors! and Thank You Quotes!
Axel
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College deletions?
by Collegegurl inaccording to our new co, elders nor their children are allowed to go to college.
my dad is being deleted.
evidently new material was presented at the elder school.
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Axelspeed
Welcome Collegegurl!
AA, I believe the wt had a recent study on education a few weeks ago. The latest is that 2yr degree = good, 4yr degree = bad especially anything technically related.
I wonder if this type of action is an isolated event or standard policy now?
Axelspeed
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WTS Letter to Congregations re. HLC
by doinmypart in.
the christian congregation of jw sent a letter to all congregations regarding hospital liaison committees.
this letter will be read the week of january 30, 2006. i can email a pdf of the letter to someone willing to post it here.
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Axelspeed
8. Can any doctor or hospital give complete assurance that blood or blood fractions will not be used in treatment of a minor?
Okay, that's confusing. I thought blood fractions were okay? Have they backtracked on that?The expression "thin edge of the wedge" comes to mind. Axel