those of you who have been to this year district conventions know that during the drama timothy's friend ionatan was telling him about their plans to go and study in athen.
i keep wondering how watchtower dares to say such lies.
where did they find this in the bible?
I went to see the education angle and you are right, it was a buch of fiction wrapped around a couple of bible characters. Just pulled a story right out of the as$. And the JW lingo was incredibly ridiculous. It's hard to believe so many really swallowed that stuff.
Axelspeed
my family and i have been away from the meetings for about three years but we still are watched carefully and get the occasional "we miss you" visit.
we will be moving out of state 1,500 miles away.
in todays internet age with access to so much info, phone #'s and adresses is it really impossible to truly escape?
Once you move that far (1500 mi) you should be fairly safe, provided you dont make contact with JW in your new location. That is pretty far, for even the most persistant of elders.
Contrary to a lot of opinion, most elders are too busy with there own life or with the JWs who do show up to put forth the effort for anybody not in the territory, much less out of state. The rest are much too lazy. And I know of no elder who would go searching on the internet for any individual jw. Dont worry...you should be ok. Just try not to make contact with the locals in the new area.
Axelspeed
i don't post much and this is the first thread i've ever started so please bear with me.
i wanted to give my obsevations on the 2005 "godly obedience" district convention.if the things i say are redundant, i apologize.
anyways, i was coerced into going by my daughter.
i agree with the points already made, but here are my notes anyway.
1. trying to move away from 1914 as fast as possible
2. put faith in the resurrection because you will probably die on this side of the big A. sorry bout that old-timers.
3. give the FDS unquestioning (read blind) obedience
4. college is bad...come to bethel (the bethel meeting this year is for all under 35 and single, not just 19-35...my take is that they are trying to get them wrapped up early. This was also evidenced by some very very young baptisms)
Axelspeed
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perhaps i would.. struggeling with doubts of course, but going to the meetings and turning in 2 or 3 hours on my report every month like i used to.... what about you guys?
I was already on the way out...it just wasn't doing it for me anymore. The year text for that year was about the yoke being light, something i knew just wasn't happening for me. Ironically an elder at the time mentioned COC and how he read it before becoming a witness (at the time he was stronger than ever, tho i think he will eventually come around once he sees completely the that what he read was truth...he's already stepped aside as elder) I believe that the internet is hurting them badly tho...more than they even realize yet. Without major changes, the glory days of the WTS are over. Axelspeed
i believe in jesus christ the son of god conceived of the virgin mary and who is one and the same as the father and the holy spirit, and through him all things where created.
i believe that he was crucified as a perfect sacrifice for our sins and on the third day rose from the dead and later ascended in heaven.
it is through jesus christ that we enter the kingdom of heaven and there is no lack of space in heaven.
In my now post-jw life, I try to live, let live and not be too dogmatic about much. But my tolerance for religion in general is taking a beating....fueled in large part by the jw-like way a lot of people try and shove their beliefs on others.
Most of us have "been there, done that, and bought the tshirt." Whether u realize it or not, that brand of dogmatism and the tone you present it with is a real turn-off for many here.
I never thought I would say this, but "organized religion" is starting to make me sick.
ok i got an email about the google thing.. .
the post about google in the june km is unverified but it in essence was .
dont use search engines to find our sites because they will take you to apostate sites.. i didnt copy the post in to this message because when i copied it into my thread about pms, the whole thread became inaccessable.. ipsec
This is interesting...I wonder whose brilliant idea this was.
Axelspeed
how about leaving on your own terms!!!!
you go to the sunday meeting or theo school and service meeting... and when there is an opportunity to comment.. you raise your hand.. and the diligent brother [servant wanna a be] brings over the microphone and you say.. " i just wanted to make it clear that i "...." no longer want to be identified as one of jehovah's witnesses's connected with the watchtower tower society, and then you get up, click your heels, give everyone a farewell salute..... and leave the building singing some neil young tune...... :) has anyone done that?
should we start doing that?
I think I may be close to that point myself. Sometimes you just need to cut the strings.
its time to leave.
i have had all the answers i need to make a firm decision.
thank you so much everyone for your replies, for talking to me over the last few weeks and for some of the humour.. i believe the jws are right and that they have the truth.
Experience is not always the best or most preferred teacher...but it is many times the most effective. Sometimes you just have to see it for yourself.
Axelspeed
what's that poking out from the side of his laptop?
is this guy enjoying his cybersex or what?!
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lol! too funny...I wonder where the poor bro whose pic is being used is?
this is legit, i got this email and called cat.
she is looking for jws who might do this.
wouldn't that be a scream?
LOL! That would be hilarious!
I can only imagine the torture of the visiting spouse having to go through all the rituals...daily text...weekly family study...WT study...FS prep...Sat morn FS...ALL 5 meetings...and then keep up a tidy JW home on top of that! That's not even getting into having to put those pioneer hrs. in if the wife's she is trading with is one...lol!
I would even feel sorry for the JW family...having to put on the face of a perfect JW family...only to be judged by the world... and worst/more likely by your own JW "friends"
