DANNY, do you have more clips? You are the FUNNIEST EX-JW of ALL TIME!!!
dolphman
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Witness Jehovah Indie film....
by Huxley inhttp://http://www.bunkfilms.com/films/witness/
ha ha ha...the trailer is pretty good.... .
huxley
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Article, Can a Skeptic believe in God?
by Beans in.
finally it is on line, this is a great read, enjoy!
http://www.skeptics.ca/newsletters/winter04.pdf
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dolphman
Six of Nine said: They should babel less, and describe more. Have you ever thought that they are trying to describe things that are ABOVE the mind? Things that our intellectual abilities simply can't comprehend? Imagine that a flashlight is shining against a wall. Imagine that your mind is that light on the wall. Now, you are not the source of the light, but simply a reflection of it. The flashlight generating the light is the true source. How would that light on the wall be able to shine back onto it's source and "see" it? It's impossible. It's a lot like our intellect in that case. Useful for seeing our way through the dark but not fulling understanding the source it came from, the spiritual universe. This is the best way to explain it. That is why these Buhddist have to go BEYOND THE MIND to see what they see, our intellect cannot process spiritual equations. They can dumb them down for our intellects to begin to grasp, and begin inquiring. But it's simply too difficult for a mind to wrap itself around mystic formulas. It wasn't built for it. But there is an aspect to our brains, to ourselves as spiritual beings that can allow us to access those hidden ways. Science and Spirituality or not mutually exclusive. It's things like the Spanish Inquisition that have given such a bad taste in people's mouths when it comes to religion. I don't blame them. But the two can compliment each other.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
by frankiespeakin inpaste and clip:.
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
signs and symptoms of awakening.
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dolphman
I'm sure as hell not enlightened either. I guess I'm one of the "great crowd", if that term can still be used.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
by frankiespeakin inpaste and clip:.
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
signs and symptoms of awakening.
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dolphman
SixOfNine,
I'm curious on what basis you say, "it is real contact with divine energy"?. Also, "it's not nescessary to have a kundalini awakening in order to become enlightened", how do you know this?
Well, After seeing the psychiratrist I needed to see and having them not find an applicable modern medicine explanation for the events, I really have only one other explanation. Not to mention the experiences themselves were highly charged events. Here's the big kicker: you simply have nothing that happens in your normal everday life that I can use to help you relate to the experience. Nothing. I'm doing the best I can with HTML and a online forum.
Also, because of these experiences I was forced to go find answers. Basically, like I've stated all along, what I've discovered is that the goal is enlightenment. And the key to enlightenment is asking "Who Am I?" You can do that sitting on a rock practicing zen meditation. Or hell, even an intense Christian prayer could bring that about. For all I know, all you really have to do is ask the question itself, regardless of whatever religion you are. So yeah, you don't need kundalini to get enlightenment. During my early research I read a lot about hinduism, buhddism, shamenism, islam, sufism, etc. They're all about the same thing really. Kundalini is just more a "kick in the ass" experience.
Also, LT, as I read it, you seem to be saying that your experience and Dolphman's experience are "kundalini awakenings", yes? Yet you've had VERY different experiences. What convinces you that they are relatively synonymous? (or synonymous, if that's what you're saying)
LT never said he was having a kundalini awakening. They ARE very different experiences, because he is consciously practicing a chi art of some kind. This is what makes his and my experiences synonymous, they are both related to energy. However, what seperates them is my experiences were not learned, they happen SPONTANEOUSLY. Understand the difference?
Also Dolphman, if you considered you might be schizophrenic at one point, what has happened that has you 100% convinced now that these experiences are anything but a brain glitch, and are in fact a highly unusual, specialized connection with the supernatural?
Well it's like this. Say one day you were meditating and you spontaneously chanted out some words. Followed by heavy breathing, your hands doing some sort of sign language, and assuming various yoga positions. What if you typed those words you chanted into the internet, and they came back Sanskrit mantras or the Names of God in various other tounges. Then you started reading some books and realized the hand movements or sign language you were doing also correctly mimicked "mudras", hand postitions used to enhance meditation by monks and often seen in buhddist paintings. Now, what are the odds of all three of these experiences happening at once and all tying into the same source, tantric hinduism and buhddism (which are essentially the same). I had no experience WITH ANY of this stuff prior. Maybe if i had only chanted some words, I could say, "Oh it means "God" in Sanskrit but it also means "Jello" in Czech. But when you combine that with the fact that I was doing the other things which are also related to the same thing, then THAT is when things get serious. That's no coincidence.
Because of the severity of the experiences, I had to have some ANSWERS. Schizophrenia was first guess. You know what? I've been tested and I've seen the doctors. I don't have it. Now, let me ask you, where do I go next for an answer? HMMMMMMMMMM?
It's not that I'm determined not to be crazy, I just need answers to things like this. Wouldn't you?
One thing to remember, my whole point in answering this thread was to shed some light on kundalini experiences. I'm not trying to convert anyone or prove I had the above experiences. I do hope someday to be able to be a part of some real scientific research into the phenomena. Brain scans, lie detectors, you name it. If you know anyone whose interested in doing such a thing, I'm game.
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The problem with ecstatic religious experiences...
by logansrun infor skeptics, true believers and people like me.
i have heard or read, on this forum and in other mediums, of people who claim to have had experiences that can only be described as "ecstatic, mystical, spiritual, supernatural" etc.
they all claim that the experience was real, in fact, more real than reality itself.
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dolphman
I was just making that statistic up. I have no idea statistically speaking how many people are crazy or not. But there are a lot. But then again, there are those with legitimate experiences as well.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
by frankiespeakin inpaste and clip:.
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
signs and symptoms of awakening.
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dolphman
I don't mind the distraction. It is some heavy shit though.
Those Tacoma dome conventions were great for checking out girls.
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The problem with ecstatic religious experiences...
by logansrun infor skeptics, true believers and people like me.
i have heard or read, on this forum and in other mediums, of people who claim to have had experiences that can only be described as "ecstatic, mystical, spiritual, supernatural" etc.
they all claim that the experience was real, in fact, more real than reality itself.
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dolphman
A good article on this can be found here:
http://spirituality.indiatimes.com/articleshow/498605.cms
The issue comes down to this, many are the names and paths but ultimately it all leads to one destination. The problem is that god and divinity is formless, but for it to be measured by humans, i.e. understood, it has to take some kind of form. Be it a name, a creature. But in and of itself it is formless. But for a human mind to begin to approach it, it needs to be something tangible.
That's why there are so many different gods and teachings. But at their very cores, they are for the most part teaching the same thing.
What the experiment should be based on is if there is a metaphysical world at all, not a particulair one.
As far as mystical experiences go, 90% of them are probably related to mental disorders. But it all it takes is 1% of them to be real and you have to realize something is at work outside our normal perception.
One thing to ponder, the word "Human" is Sanskrit in origin. It literally means "God Thought". Maybe that's all we are.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
by frankiespeakin inpaste and clip:.
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
signs and symptoms of awakening.
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dolphman
The real "I" as in the scripture "I AM THAT I AM" as opposed to the way the ego thinks of itself as the "I".
It's funny, that scripture isn't much different than the Sanskrit mantra "I AM THAT" (So Ham)
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
by frankiespeakin inpaste and clip:.
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
signs and symptoms of awakening.
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dolphman
Princess,
I did grow up in the area. Tacoma, Gig Harbor, Port Orchard, Bremerton, been to a kingdom hall in all those towns.
Littletoe,
You bring up the most important point. It's all about knowing yourself, seperating the "I" from the real "I" and finding out what that is. I'm still working on it. But that's really the point of everything, kundalini and otherwise.
I do also want to say that I do believe/know that God exist. The great thing is it isn't what we think it was, i.e. "Jehovah". A domineering, destructive angry god that kills everyone.
I can't say I've met it yet, but it's more of a supreme consciousness than anything, the origin of all consciousness and physical reality. I guess one part of it is the consciousness part, and the other part is the manifestation of it, such as creation, us. You can think of it as the male part being the consciousness and the female part as the creation part. Supposedly when a person becomes enlightened, they become a perfect combination of male and female qualities. Which emulates divinity itself. This is why Hindu gods all look like transvestites.
I also think of God as a zero. A zero is nothing, yet it is complete. If you add it to another number, it becomes something. Like how a 1 becomes a 10. The paradox of 0 is that is nothing and something all at the same time. Which is what god is, I guess.
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Signs of an Awakening Kandalini!!
by frankiespeakin inpaste and clip:.
http://www.kundalini-gateway.org/ksigns.html.
signs and symptoms of awakening.
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dolphman
Were you on any drugs (pot, LSD) when the experience you refer to occurred? How long had it been since you imbibed in narcotics when the event took place?
No. I haven't done LSD since I was 21. I'm turning 30 monday. I had a pot brownie about 11 months ago. When these events occured, and when they do occur, no drug use has occured.
I'll forgive you on the Bush thing. Do you or have you had any schizophrenic tendencies? Did you make it clear to the psychologist that a family member has schizophrenia? And, did they actually refer you to a yoga instructor, or did you do that on your own?
Thanks for forgiving me, remember, I'm not enlightened yet. I've never had any schizophrenic tendencies. I made it clear to the people at the hospital that my aunt was schizophrenic, and that's exactly why I had come there, because I thought I was becoming schizophrenic. It had been 3 days since the initial experience happened, and my symptoms by then were just crying and forming hand mudras. They said the crying wasn't related to schizophrenia. Because of the other things I described, they referred me to a psychotherapist who just happens to have a background in eastern philosophy. They figured maybe she could provide an explanation. They gave me no drugs and let me go within a few hours.
To be brutally honest, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. There are millions of JWs who believe in many crazy things and they hold down a job. Some of the members of cult atrocities like Waco and Jonestown were doctors, lawyers and other well-educated, "together" people. That does not mean you didn't experience the kundalini awakening, but it by no means means that you are more credible than anyone else.
You're absolutely right on that one.
Had you ever read and/or spoken the mantras before you started to glossalate? It's always possible that you or your girlfriend "tweaked" what you said to fit the mantra, etc. That doesn't mean you're a liar, it's simply human nature to want to "fit" the experience in somehow (especially since you seem to have been very interested in this sort of thing to begin with).
The only mantra I had ever heard of was the "OM" thing. People make fun of that in movies and stuff, so I had heard that before. But I never said that one. In fact, that one doesn't ever occur spontaneously at all. Maybe because it's the highest mantra, and I have reached that level of consciousness. The first night this all happened. The thing I said was "Sah Man". It came back "Shamen" in sanskrit when we googled it. Granted, it could mean a lot of things I guess. But when you consider the fact I was assuming yoga postures and hand gestures spontaneously as I was saying it, it lends it some credence that it was Indian in origin.. But it doesn't stop there. Then and since then, mantras such as "HAM" and "THAM" and "HRIM" and others will spontaneously utter themselves. HAM and THAM actually form the roots of the word HATHA, as in hatha yoga. In any case, sometimes whole sentences will come out, I'm assuming it's Sanskrit. Other times what I think is Hawaiin will come out. ALLAH has come out even. HU is a popular one. HU is the name the Sufis use for god, as well as others. I"ve never said JEHOVAH or YAHWEH. I guess the different names of god are all gateways to deeper levels of consciousness. You could speculate that my subconcious heard these words and saw these movements, maybe in movies or while watching Kung Fu as a kid. And then all of the sudden, they are triggered when I meditate.I for one though, don't think is it. Half these words I'm sure I've never heard before, and I don't think I could be that good at yoga without having taken some lessons.
Again, forgive me, but there are plenty of people reading this who will say that it is "a lot of New Age BS."
They can. I'm not trying to convert anyone. There are a lot of weirdos. Trust me, I've met them.
Ah, I'm just jesting with you. I'm more open to this sort of thing than I used to be. I just wouldn't discount that there may be other factors involved that are of a more psychological origin. Did you see multiple counselors? What type of psychologist did you see? Did they give you ANY ideas that it might be glitches in the brain?
I saw counselors at the hospital and the one I went and saw for about 4 weeks, until she said there was basically nothing to work on. I then began seeing a Hindu renunciate. The counselors at the hospital are the front line troops that deal with people coming into the ER. They were the staff psychiratrist that basically decide if your a real loon and get sent to the psych ward or if you just need general therapy. They then referred me to someone who charges 90 bucks an hour, so I'm assuming they were a professional. No drugs were ever given to me at any time. Ok, I tell you, as far as glitches to the brain go, if it is, it's a sight to behold. You should see it sometime. Personally, the things I say and do and their relation to specific symptoms mentioned to be of a kundalini origin are just to exact to be mere coincidences. If its just a brain fart, it's a loud one.