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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

I think the early witnesses, CTR especially were influenced, but not greatly. Mostly I think Russell just used the symbology because it looked cool and "ancient".

I think this is true. But what I want to know (and am researching) are his ties to Lord Rothschild and the B'nai B'rith associations. Did Lord Rothschild fund Russell in any way? Did any of Russell's family have freemason memberships? The Russell Trust is a legal organization that represents the skull and bones society, this is something easily discoverable. I believe this is the same Russell family C.T. is associated with. I'm trying to verify it.

I guess what I'm leaning to is that given what a Zionist Russell was, I could see him working with the Rothschilds and other so called "illuminati" families (the Russell's family being one of them) to implement their agendas, and in doing so implementing the freemason agenda as well, since the Rothschilds and others were all known freemasons. Get my drift?

Gitasatsanga,

One thing that confuses me is how and why the practice of Enochian magic is diabolical. I have to admit, when I read about the Knights Templars and Freemasonry their concept of a "Supreme Architect of the Universe" does not seem like such a bad thing. I mean, I personally believe all paths lead to God, hindu, buhddist, judiasm, new age, etc. This pretty much seems to be what Freemasonry and other secret orders are leading to. I mean, the Kabbalah is NOT a book of satan.

So how and where does Freemasonry which practices Enochian Magic go wrong? Obviously they're is something diabolical. Were the Knights Templars practicing it too?

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

You see, you were not listening. Russell is NOT buried under a pyramid. He is buried NEAR a pyramid erected by the WTBTS AFTER his death.

Well, the pyramid is dedicated to Russell, is it not? Is it not "His" pyramid? I'm not sure how this lessens his association with it. It's a monument erected to Russell nonetheless, correct? What does it matter if he's buried underneath it or not?

That Mason lingo you speak of really sounds more like the general manner of speaking and writing of that period.

Hmmmm, think about this:

Masonic lingo: Millenial Dawn Russell lingo: Millenial Dawnist

Masonic lingo: Watchtower, Golden Dawn Russell lingo: Watchtower, Golden Dawn

Seems to be very specific. But maybe you're right. Maybe the general manner of speaking and writing of that period contained such lingo. Well, what influenced the general manner of speaking and writing of the time? Freemasonry perhaps? Did this kind of lingo just "poof" out of nowhere? I must have needed to originate from something.

Is there anyway we can find proof A Russell of some kind (related to C.T.) was in some order of some kind. This may be the proof we need.

You have good arguments Corvin, but I honestly believe something is up. If it just comes down to the fact that your only sticking point with this whole theory is a lack of official membership record of Russell in freemasonry, don't you think that's being perhaps a bit too strict on the subject? Granted, it would be nice. But we are dealing with a secret society, and at this point, I believe he was probably a Rosicrutian with heavy ties to Masonic influences, notably the Rothschild family and others.

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

Here are a couple of pics I think one would find interesting. They show exactly how close Russell's grave is to the Masonic Lodge temple. In fact, in it's in the graveyard RIGHT NEXT to it.

The next website brings up a theory that merits attention. I believe what it is saying can be proved with a little more research and access to certain records.

Basically, it's saying the Russell and the Rothschilds were linked. What is fact (and easily discoverable) is that Russell wrote an open letter to Baron Rothschild praising him for his work on creating a Jewish State. Russell was later invited to give a talk at a rather large gathering of Zionist. This does not prove he was being funded by Rothschild. Supposedly though, the Rothschilds funded the Jehovah's Witness operation through "contributions" by organisations like the Rothschild-controlled B'nai B'rith. According to the website, this was proved in a court of law in 1922. It also says one of the key people involved in this was Frank Goldman who later became President of B'nai B'rith.

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html

Is there any way to get public or private records of any of these transactions? I'm continuing to try and find out more on it.

It's also a known fact the Russell Trust corporation is the legal entity supporting the Skull and Bones society. Apparently, this is the same Russell family that C.T.Russell is from. I'd like to find out two things,

1. Is it actually the same Russell family CT is from?

2. Does it indeed represent the skull and bones society?

If these things are true, along with the connections between Russell, B'nai B'rith, and the Rothschilds, not to mention the egyptology/masonic imagery, that Russell was indeed influenced by the freemason agenda?

Many people try and debunk this theory through the presentation of one or two pieces of evidence at a time. But when the total sum is weighed, would it not lean in favor of the assumption he was indeed a freemason or under their influence?

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

Well, since it is a mexican standoff, I'm going to lean towards the idea that he was involved in secret orders and influenced by them to some degree. For me it goes beyond the circumstantial evidence I've provided.

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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friends

ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

You know, what I find hard to accept and even harder to understand is how someone can pick apart a particulair speech or say the crown and cross are symbols of christianity and then make a blanket statement that this one piece of evidence proves inconclusively that Russell was NOT and in no way associated with freemasonry. How ignorant. The perponderance of circumstantial evidence COMBINDED TOGETHER must certainly get someone's attention, shouldn't it?

Are the egyptian symbols used by Russell Christian in origin too?
Does the pyramid Russell is buried under honestly supposed to represent the Trinity?
Is it just a coincidence that words such as Watchtower/Golden Dawn happen to be prevalant in Masonic lingo?

If I'm not mistaken members of Russell's family were Masons, and Russell was also known to associate with prominent Rosicrutians.

For me, the evidence COMBINED points to a connection of some degree. One piece of evidence in and of itself obviously can't be conclusive, but an very obvious pattern of influence emerges when the totality of everything in question is added up. Hence, this is why it is still possible to get a conviction in a court of law on circumstancial evidence alone. Although it's obviously much tougher to prove.

The only real nail in the coffin would be the record of his membership

Hmmmm. True, of course, we are dealing with a secret society here, something readily admitted to by Masons themselves.

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Just got back from the YMCA

by Atilla in

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i went to the y last night just to relax and go swimming.

the y near my house is pretty clean and after 8 p.m., not very crowded.

i find it very relaxing to go work out, play basketball, go swimming and then sit in the sauna after a long shower.

dolphman

Gang rape in the men's shower if probably your most immediate concern. Forget about the JW guilt trip.

The YMCA I went to (once) was literrally the same place the Village People immortalized in their hit song. Think about it. Why the hell would the Village People be singing about it otherwise?

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

---Since Russell knew about Freemasonry, he therefore must certainly have been one. By that argument, I would be one of Jehovah?s Witnesses! (Geez what an epithet)

Well, I wouldn't think that, unless you continued to use JW buzzwords, plastered JW artwork and icons all over your publications, and had a big fat Watchtower built on top of your gravestone. Then maybe, just maybe, I would think you were somewhat affiliated with them :-)

I have changed my opinion as to whether or not Russell was a freemason. I agree there is no nail in the coffin proof that he was a freemason. But there is PLENTY of evidence to suggest he was, was lying to hide his membership, or at the very least was affiliated and influenced by them to a serious degree.

Tell you what, add up the sheer amount of evidence that says he was affiliated with freemasons and compare it to the total amount of evidence the says he wasn't. If you weigh them out on scales, I think it invariably tilts in favor of him being one, or at least associated to a serious degree.

Since this is an argument neither of us can win, then feel free to form your own opinion on it and we'll let it go. But again, the strength of my argument lies in the sheer amount of evidence suggesting serious involvement and association with freemasonry, as opposed to the evidence suggesting otherwise. If you can't see it for yourself, then there isn't much I can do to help you see it. It's open to interreptation. But honestly, to suggest he had NOTHING to do with it is RIDICULOUS, and whether or not I was claiming he was absolutely a card carrying member is crying over spilt milk. Compared to an argument he was not associated and influenced by freemasonry, well, it's obvious that's simply an impossibility.

I believe if the argument was he WAS NOT EVER a freemason, you would have a much harder time proving that beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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friends

ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

TD said,

Dude, I know that. I could care less. I'm really impressed with AlanF's library. I bet it is the bomb.

There is this new invention, maybe you've heard of it, called a "computer". You can hook it up to the "internet". Now, if you're smart enough, you can "use" your computer to sort through tons of bullshit and sometimes discover actual "information".

TD also said:

"No one has come up with anything suggestive of a connection to Freemasonry beyond a very weak circumstantial argument for which there exist plausible alternative explanations.

I'm sorry, but the debate is FAR from over.

Check out these websites here. Could you explain the plausible alternative explanations in great detail? Really. I want to hear an honest explanation as to how Russell aboslutely had nothing to do with masonry.

http://www.exjws.net/museum/masonry.htm
http://www.bigwig.net/knots/nightmares/notice.htmhttp://www.premier1.net/~raines/disc.html
http://www.pnc.com.au/~fichrist/Masons.html
http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/russell.htm

The last link is a little much, it goes on to talk in great detail about Satanic rituals within the WTBTS, etc. I think the guy who wrote it is a kook, however, some of the information he provides is useful for digging up and tracking down more factual informaiton elswhere. Look into his connections between the Rosicrusians and Russell, as well as other members of Russell's family.

I'm beginning to belive that even if Russell was not a freemason, he was at least affiliated with them to some degree. There is a possibility he was a Rosicrusian, who are known to share memberships with freemasons. Russell denied he was not a freemason at times, and hinted at it in others. Using my deductive reasoning, I believe he was doing what any member of a secret society would do, keep it a secret.

In any case, I make the argument he was heavily influenced by them at the very least. Do you honestly think YOU can make an argument that he in no way shape or form had nothing to do in ANY WAY with them, after reviewing this evidence? Let me know how you come to your conclusions. You see, there is a debate after all.

BTW, I find it funny he was buried off a street entitled Masonic Way. Again, this must be another weak circumstantial evidence that absolutely NOTHING AT ALL MASONIC can be associated with Russell.

Hmmmm....

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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friends

ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

I guess all the other people they listed as famous non-masons is just a conspiracy too.

Well, when you think about it, the masons are a secret society. It makes sense they would lie to keep secrets then. They pretty much admit that up front.

If so, I would be more worried about what "diabolical schemes" Dick Cheny is up to than Russell.

I agree with you on this.

At least I provided a link to a masonic web-site to back it up, where is your proof beyond the conspiracy theories running rampid in your head?

Like I told AlanF, try using Google, search using phrases such as "Russell, Rothschild, illuminati" all in one search.

You will find wack jobs out there. But, you'll also find photocopies of old WTBTS publications, transcribed sermons, etc. On Ebay you can find some of Russell's first books. One of them features the symbology i was talking about (the sun god Ra). I forget the name of it. I'm sure someone on this board knows which one I'm talking about.

The truth is definitely out there. I'll put together a concise listing of links when i get a chance. Until then, Google it.

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Charles T Russell -a freemason and the connection to the illuminati...

by dolphman in

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friends

ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.

all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.

not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .

dolphman

Alan F:

You won't find any of this info in the Watchtower CD Encyclopedia. This stuff is ALL over the internet, and not just from dubious resources.

I can when I get the free time put together a list of links (some of which link to actual photocopied copies of early WTBTS material) that point to various sermons Russell gave in masonic lodges, records of early WTBTS financial records and Bible study meetings (Of which Rothschilds are listed). In the meantime, try googling for that stuff yourself, and see what you can come up with. (try search phrases such as "russell" and "rothschild")

Beelzebeb

Your post doesn't do much to discredit the ascertion Russell was a freemason. For one, the article says

Some have charged that his tombstone appears as a keystone (a symbol used in Royal Arch Masonry), that there appears on the stone a crown and cross and that the stone is in the shape of a pyramid. (Those who make the claim do so for their own ends ignoring the fact that the cross and crown have long been symbols of Christianity, that the pyramid is often used in one-dimension view to represent the Trinity etc.)

This does little to refute anything. Regardless of whether or not the cross and crown have long been symbols of Christianity, they ARE in fact THE SYMBOLS used to signify Masons. The pyramid representing the trinity? Did Russell believe in the trinity at the time? Say the cross and crown were in fact just meant to signify christianity. But with the addition of huge freaking pyramid (a well used Masonic symbol, check your dollar bill), not to mention a huge Masonic temple across the street from the graveyard, leads to believe Masonic, not Christian icons, were being intentionally used. This website doesn't bother to include that besides his gravestone, he used the symbol of the sun god Ra with wings on the cover of one of his books, another masonic symbol. AND, the words Watchtower and Golden Dawn are two big buzzwords used in Masonic vernacular.

One thing to also note is the website is an acutal Masonic lodge information site. This is much like going to www.watchtower.com and getting your info on JWs there.

Personally, I believe Russell was a hodgepodge of many things, Mason, Rosicrutian, whatever. He was in leauge with many. Were they up to diabolical schemes? I'm not sure yet. I still have an open mind to all of it.