what i mean is according to the society, there are a number of persons that are "technically" "inactive" yet are viewed as jws still.
i'm sure that i'm viewed as a witness still because i am not df'd or disassociated.....what about you??
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I got pronounced bad association when I was 17 or so. When the Elder made the announcement I let out a weird demonic laugh. I don't know where it came from. Something about the moment made me squeal out a primal laugh that was both exhuberant and constricting.
I'm 30 now, so it's been well over 10 years. Most of the other kids I knew are all disfellowshipped or inactive. I know maybe a handful who are sticking it out. They are some of the most depressed people I've ever seen.
i went to the y last night just to relax and go swimming.
the y near my house is pretty clean and after 8 p.m., not very crowded.
i find it very relaxing to go work out, play basketball, go swimming and then sit in the sauna after a long shower.
dolphman - you're kidding right?? Are you a homophobe? Do you think gay men are also rapists? Do you think you are that desireable? (I'm sure you are - but gang rape, c'mon - even queers have some impulse control!)
Yeah man just kidding. And no, I'm not a homophobe. But I did walk into the YMCA showers once, never to return again. There was a group of gays with boners pointed at each other, and I wasn't willing to walk their gauntlet to try and shower myself.
I hadn't seen a guy pop wood in the showers since 7th grade, and then it was most likely just a hormonal surge. These guys meant business.
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
Yeah I've heard the same. How does Enochian magic differ from say reading the Kabbalah? They are not one in the same are they?
There is a lot of info that I've come across that suggest many of the rituals performed by freemasons include enochian magic. I'm assuming this is what their rituals are based on.
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
I think the early witnesses, CTR especially were influenced, but not greatly. Mostly I think Russell just used the symbology because it looked cool and "ancient".
I think this is true. But what I want to know (and am researching) are his ties to Lord Rothschild and the B'nai B'rith associations. Did Lord Rothschild fund Russell in any way? Did any of Russell's family have freemason memberships? The Russell Trust is a legal organization that represents the skull and bones society, this is something easily discoverable. I believe this is the same Russell family C.T. is associated with. I'm trying to verify it.
I guess what I'm leaning to is that given what a Zionist Russell was, I could see him working with the Rothschilds and other so called "illuminati" families (the Russell's family being one of them) to implement their agendas, and in doing so implementing the freemason agenda as well, since the Rothschilds and others were all known freemasons. Get my drift?
Gitasatsanga,
One thing that confuses me is how and why the practice of Enochian magic is diabolical. I have to admit, when I read about the Knights Templars and Freemasonry their concept of a "Supreme Architect of the Universe" does not seem like such a bad thing. I mean, I personally believe all paths lead to God, hindu, buhddist, judiasm, new age, etc. This pretty much seems to be what Freemasonry and other secret orders are leading to. I mean, the Kabbalah is NOT a book of satan.
So how and where does Freemasonry which practices Enochian Magic go wrong? Obviously they're is something diabolical. Were the Knights Templars practicing it too?
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
You see, you were not listening. Russell is NOT buried under a pyramid. He is buried NEAR a pyramid erected by the WTBTS AFTER his death.
Well, the pyramid is dedicated to Russell, is it not? Is it not "His" pyramid? I'm not sure how this lessens his association with it. It's a monument erected to Russell nonetheless, correct? What does it matter if he's buried underneath it or not?
That Mason lingo you speak of really sounds more like the general manner of speaking and writing of that period.
Hmmmm, think about this:
Masonic lingo: Millenial Dawn Russell lingo: Millenial Dawnist
Masonic lingo: Watchtower, Golden Dawn Russell lingo: Watchtower, Golden Dawn
Seems to be very specific. But maybe you're right. Maybe the general manner of speaking and writing of that period contained such lingo. Well, what influenced the general manner of speaking and writing of the time? Freemasonry perhaps? Did this kind of lingo just "poof" out of nowhere? I must have needed to originate from something.
Is there anyway we can find proof A Russell of some kind (related to C.T.) was in some order of some kind. This may be the proof we need.
You have good arguments Corvin, but I honestly believe something is up. If it just comes down to the fact that your only sticking point with this whole theory is a lack of official membership record of Russell in freemasonry, don't you think that's being perhaps a bit too strict on the subject? Granted, it would be nice. But we are dealing with a secret society, and at this point, I believe he was probably a Rosicrutian with heavy ties to Masonic influences, notably the Rothschild family and others.
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
Here are a couple of pics I think one would find interesting. They show exactly how close Russell's grave is to the Masonic Lodge temple. In fact, in it's in the graveyard RIGHT NEXT to it.
The next website brings up a theory that merits attention. I believe what it is saying can be proved with a little more research and access to certain records.
Basically, it's saying the Russell and the Rothschilds were linked. What is fact (and easily discoverable) is that Russell wrote an open letter to Baron Rothschild praising him for his work on creating a Jewish State. Russell was later invited to give a talk at a rather large gathering of Zionist. This does not prove he was being funded by Rothschild. Supposedly though, the Rothschilds funded the Jehovah's Witness operation through "contributions" by organisations like the Rothschild-controlled B'nai B'rith. According to the website, this was proved in a court of law in 1922. It also says one of the key people involved in this was Frank Goldman who later became President of B'nai B'rith.
http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html
Is there any way to get public or private records of any of these transactions? I'm continuing to try and find out more on it.
It's also a known fact the Russell Trust corporation is the legal entity supporting the Skull and Bones society. Apparently, this is the same Russell family that C.T.Russell is from. I'd like to find out two things,
1. Is it actually the same Russell family CT is from?
2. Does it indeed represent the skull and bones society?
If these things are true, along with the connections between Russell, B'nai B'rith, and the Rothschilds, not to mention the egyptology/masonic imagery, that Russell was indeed influenced by the freemason agenda?
Many people try and debunk this theory through the presentation of one or two pieces of evidence at a time. But when the total sum is weighed, would it not lean in favor of the assumption he was indeed a freemason or under their influence?
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
Well, since it is a mexican standoff, I'm going to lean towards the idea that he was involved in secret orders and influenced by them to some degree. For me it goes beyond the circumstantial evidence I've provided.
ok, i'm not one for conspiracy theories but lately i've uncovered some interesting facts that i think warrant some attention.. first of all, russell was a freemason.
all the early watchtower and books he authored have freemason symbology and art throughout them.
not a big deal i thought, until i read more about freemasons and the so-called "illuminati", a group of 13 families that supposedly control the world.. supposedly these 13 families, such as the duponts, mcdonalds, kennedys, .
You know, what I find hard to accept and even harder to understand is how someone can pick apart a particulair speech or say the crown and cross are symbols of christianity and then make a blanket statement that this one piece of evidence proves inconclusively that Russell was NOT and in no way associated with freemasonry. How ignorant. The perponderance of circumstantial evidence COMBINDED TOGETHER must certainly get someone's attention, shouldn't it?
Are the egyptian symbols used by Russell Christian in origin too?
Does the pyramid Russell is buried under honestly supposed to represent the Trinity?
Is it just a coincidence that words such as Watchtower/Golden Dawn happen to be prevalant in Masonic lingo?
If I'm not mistaken members of Russell's family were Masons, and Russell was also known to associate with prominent Rosicrutians.
For me, the evidence COMBINED points to a connection of some degree. One piece of evidence in and of itself obviously can't be conclusive, but an very obvious pattern of influence emerges when the totality of everything in question is added up. Hence, this is why it is still possible to get a conviction in a court of law on circumstancial evidence alone. Although it's obviously much tougher to prove.
The only real nail in the coffin would be the record of his membership
Hmmmm. True, of course, we are dealing with a secret society here, something readily admitted to by Masons themselves.
