i am so upset ,,its hard to even write this out...but i know i must.....someof you know of my past...coming from a very difficult marriage with a so--called annointed one.. who made my life and the lives of my 5 children.
a living hell.....i only have one daughter in the borg...but even tho i am dis associated she still talks to me....i moved to texas to be near my daughter and my grand kids...but now i am being ostrasized for helping my schizophrenic son (24),,who couldnt make it on his own in north dakota...... and my son almost didnt make it to texas as he was thrown off the bus for smoking and abandoned... i went on a mission to find him.....by backtracking and giving out flyers of his picture with my phone ..number on it.
as it happened someone recognized him and i got him back....safe but not sound..... so now my daughters and their boyfriends have disowned me for taking him in....why i am not really sure....but with everyday mydepression gets worse....i have been hospitalized for attempted suicide many times...and theythink i am making up this shit..... just recently i was hospitalized ,,,for another suicide attempt... i think iwill make the next one stick...my brother killed himself at 38,,, no one knew the horrible secrets in his life and the family didnt want to know......now hes gone...leavingbehind 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters.. do they even know the pain and torments i have endured for soo long being in a cult...my 21 yr old daugher willlnever forgive me for what i did toher... sheis out now... but her sister is still in and i know its tearing her apart....my 24 yr old son is schizophrenic and may never be normal....but i am taking care of him as the rest ofthe family have abandoned him to my care....ha i cant even take care of me...for christs sake... for those of you i met at dallas in may,,,you know me right could i really be capable of being so selfish...so uncaring......i need your prayers and strength to get me thru this now.... there were so many things i couldnt do,, when my kids were being abused... i had to be submissive to that fucking jerk...he hurt me ,,, the borg hurt me....everyone gets hurt..... but this may be the straw that broke the camels back....words can and do hurt ,,, i can only say sorry to them so much.....but their dad willnever do that..he willnever make there hurt go away..... i just need ed to be heard as my daughters do not want me to talk to them....and it is breaking my heart in two so imust get my book done..before i am gone for good.....shalom my dear friends
kls, special thanks to you, is there anyone living nearby wildfire who could be with her? just a thought. if we weren't in Oz, my wife and i would drop in a date cake or something and try to be helpful if we could.
and again, thank you, i've got 66 years on this earth coming up, some great, some good, some lousy times! take care,
geoff.
i am so upset ,,its hard to even write this out...but i know i must.....someof you know of my past...coming from a very difficult marriage with a so--called annointed one.. who made my life and the lives of my 5 children.
a living hell.....i only have one daughter in the borg...but even tho i am dis associated she still talks to me....i moved to texas to be near my daughter and my grand kids...but now i am being ostrasized for helping my schizophrenic son (24),,who couldnt make it on his own in north dakota...... and my son almost didnt make it to texas as he was thrown off the bus for smoking and abandoned... i went on a mission to find him.....by backtracking and giving out flyers of his picture with my phone ..number on it.
as it happened someone recognized him and i got him back....safe but not sound..... so now my daughters and their boyfriends have disowned me for taking him in....why i am not really sure....but with everyday mydepression gets worse....i have been hospitalized for attempted suicide many times...and theythink i am making up this shit..... just recently i was hospitalized ,,,for another suicide attempt... i think iwill make the next one stick...my brother killed himself at 38,,, no one knew the horrible secrets in his life and the family didnt want to know......now hes gone...leavingbehind 3 daughters and 2 grand daughters.. do they even know the pain and torments i have endured for soo long being in a cult...my 21 yr old daugher willlnever forgive me for what i did toher... sheis out now... but her sister is still in and i know its tearing her apart....my 24 yr old son is schizophrenic and may never be normal....but i am taking care of him as the rest ofthe family have abandoned him to my care....ha i cant even take care of me...for christs sake... for those of you i met at dallas in may,,,you know me right could i really be capable of being so selfish...so uncaring......i need your prayers and strength to get me thru this now.... there were so many things i couldnt do,, when my kids were being abused... i had to be submissive to that fucking jerk...he hurt me ,,, the borg hurt me....everyone gets hurt..... but this may be the straw that broke the camels back....words can and do hurt ,,, i can only say sorry to them so much.....but their dad willnever do that..he willnever make there hurt go away..... i just need ed to be heard as my daughters do not want me to talk to them....and it is breaking my heart in two so imust get my book done..before i am gone for good.....shalom my dear friends
wildfire, hello there. you have had so many encouraging thoughts from people who have been hurt, would you mind if i just suggested something? somewhere near you would surely be a park or garden, why not just go there and sit quietly down and meditate, no radios, no people, just yourself. rain, hail, or sunshine. you may like to contemplate on what you see around you- sky, clouds, birds, flowers, grass, trees, everything living in its own way, even the little birds flying around are such a marvel how so tiny a brain works, the small creatures in the river or pond, don't think of humans....we're the worst!!. wildfire, what I am trying to ask you to do, is what has helped me to handle life's problems too, we all have much we'd like to forget sometimes caused by us, but mostly others or outside issues. my son is now 26, seems to be settling down better, was 6 when he saw his mum horribly killed by a drunk driver, (after the memorial in front of half the congregation) he played around with drugs and alcohol at school, got into strife, crossed borders of correct behaviour, spent a year in prison, got a huge amount of family criticism from brothers/ sister and step brothers and sister, i cannot have him in my home or property to live because of his errors.......and on and on. i wasn't going to tell you my position, but you sound so down, please though, say a word of prayer to jehovah god for me too as well as for yourself, because deep down i still believe that he is, and that he does care for us (hard to see sometimes eh?)
and may i close in asking you to accept the expressions of care from so many on this board, i sort of think we all would like to have the power to fix things, as only Christ has, and we really shouldn't be telling god what to do, should we?
my sincerest thoughts,
gdt (geoff)
having been taught that dating is only when you are ready for a marriage mate and then you get married forever, i was so quick to commit.
almost got married after 6 months to the first boyfriend i ever had when i was 18, a jw of course.
then i saw the light and didn't do it.
well karate kid... not sure if i could contribute any thing much to you, my own kids sound much like you, as a marriage celebrant (and justice of the peace) and still a witness, i do see and listen to lots like yourself. Being honest, your own happiness is not going to be enhanced by 'flings' or men just using you, and with your upbringing, you know the principles for right and wrong, and whether we like it or not the bible principles usually help, not hinder. Just go calm, try to be nice, bury the lust for a while..!!) ok? and keep an open mind, and one day someone will hopefully come along that will want to share your life. please do your best to stick to the truth you have learned, and don't worry about all the bad examples of who did what to who, just be yourself . May life give you many reasons to smile and be happy...an old Indian saying I got from Knots Berry Farm, years ago. Take care, gdt geoff.
my grandmother hasn't even been put to rest yet and already, my mother starts with "you know that grandma's greatest wish was for you to get reinstated.".
then, one of my siblings tells me that another of my siblings not only said she wouldn't come to grandma's memorial if i went but also that sibling who called me should not still be talking to me; even though i called her to tell her that grandma died.. i am facing the fact that my family may not even give me details of the memorial directly because they won't want me to go.
i don't know if i want to go to another funeral that is really just a commercial for the wts instead of talking about the person who is gone at all.
dear fleur,
it is distressing that some of your family have taken such a hard judgmental line, as if they are the ultimate judges of anyone's life. please know that many many witnesses (self included) feel for you, please don't hold back from attending your grandma's memorial, or whatever is arranged. you will always feel (i think) happier that you showed respect to your grandmum. who cares if some of the family prove unkind? can i tell you, we have just had one of the finest funerals (as if they ever could be) for a young man not in the truth, not baptized, and out of respect for the living mum dad and family in the truth, the local elders had the memorial in the kingdom hall, (in 'olden' times they would not have done so!!) and the talk was absolutely beautiful, kind, feeling, about the life of the young man, and i just wanted to say, please, keep the memories of your grandmum and her love of jehovah god and jesus in your own mind no matter what. my thoughts are with you, gdt geoff.
adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with god?
whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of god.--james 4:4. .
for you who may still believe in the the bible, how do you understand the above text?
After reading all the posts, the only wise words seem to be: "God gave us two ears, and one mouth.", or in other words "be swift about hearing, slow about speaking".Cheers, gdt.
found it at a rest stop today while traveling.
i thought about tossing it, but decided it had a much better purpose.
it was an issue on what to teach your young child - cute picture of a little girl (about 4 years old) on the cover.. so - i took it to my car, got out a pretty purple pen and wrote on the cover "this religion has a major probelm with pedophiles and is hurtful to young children.
wow, talk about taking words out of context........dawn I appreciated your words, please let me assure you there was not a question of my suggesting any untruths at all about the cases. what i was referring to was the fact that in my 50 years active in the organization there has only every been effort to help, not hinder, any child. The policy of 'two witnesses' (Bible policy, society application thereof) has caused much anguish, but what I said was 'untrue and unjust' was the broad label against the brotherhood. Surely none of you believe the society sat down and said 'what can we do to hurt kids and protect evildoers'.....though it sounds like many do.
So please don't jump to wrong conclusions without checking the 'other side' opinions, and I won't either. Dawn, you have shown 'grace' in your answer, but I still feel it is no way to get your point across that way.
And, my fellow qlder, give me a break!
gdt
minister pleads guilty in abuse case .
details of case revealed on 'oprah'
julie bird and karen cimino
Xandria, hello. It's Geoff here, and I ask you to please accept apologies, you are quite right, your thread should not have been interfered with. Again sorry to you. gdt
minister pleads guilty in abuse case .
details of case revealed on 'oprah'
julie bird and karen cimino
Come on, under74, and try to be decent.....and truthful. You must have hatred in your heart to be so awful about 'typical jw elders,' I wish you would name names including your own and substantiate such a horrible sweep of up to 300,000 at least elders all answerable.
Waiting for your public testimony to come out.
gdt.
found it at a rest stop today while traveling.
i thought about tossing it, but decided it had a much better purpose.
it was an issue on what to teach your young child - cute picture of a little girl (about 4 years old) on the cover.. so - i took it to my car, got out a pretty purple pen and wrote on the cover "this religion has a major probelm with pedophiles and is hurtful to young children.
Max, sorry not to acknowledge your excellent summary of the matter, 100% in agreeance, thank you. gdt
found it at a rest stop today while traveling.
i thought about tossing it, but decided it had a much better purpose.
it was an issue on what to teach your young child - cute picture of a little girl (about 4 years old) on the cover.. so - i took it to my car, got out a pretty purple pen and wrote on the cover "this religion has a major probelm with pedophiles and is hurtful to young children.
Dawn would well know the words I used. I object to such a blanket detesting of any JW's (of which I am such) and also hate child abuse as strongly as anyone on this board. I too have kids, grandkids etc, and mis-handling of cases is something different to supporting/promoting wrongdoing, if you please. How badly any and all JW's I know, as well as my family, do feel about this issue I would just wish you knew. My 50 years in 'the truth' saw NOT ONE example of child abuse not handly via the police and courts (and that was just one matter anyway, albeit one too many).
On the side of 'grace' is the best way to go, and my question to those on this thread is as expressed earlier. May I wish all share this conclusion.
Cheers, gdt.
