LOL, avishai that a classic. - "We are Watchtower of Borg. You will be assimilated. We will add your religious and spiritual distinctiveness to our own. You will adapt to (field) service us. Resistance is futile."
- Can't you just picture Milton Henschel as Locutus? (I made it myself) 
Here's the link if it doesn't show up. (http://rottenmelon.tripod.com/henschel_of_borg.jpg) (BTW, How DO you post pictures on here? The site seems to have no instructions. And formatting is weird)
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Here's the script for the Korah, Dathan, Abiram drama
by Bonnie_Clyde inbrother loyal: well, .
brother loyal: what do you mean?.
brother loyal: well, the watchtower.. .
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The EU and WTS prophecy
by dorayakii inthe european union does not exist on the american political landscape.
at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .
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EvilForce, you said presumably with regard to the EU that it is "too historically tied to the US - most US citizens are Anglo-German- Irish-Italian", but you have to remember that one point, the WTS says that Nazi Germany filled the role of the King of the North. It didn't matter back then whether or not Germany was historically linked to the US. In addition, Italy and the Mussolini regime were Germany's staunchest european allies.
Using the "Daniel's Prophecy" line of reasoning, by extention, the olympic flame that is the King of the North could have been passed down from the Selucids of Judah to Nazi Germany to the European Union of which Germany forms an influencial part.
(Just like the King of the South torch has been convieniently passed from the Ptolemies of Egypt to the "Anglo-American World Power" lolol).
The one thing that may cause them trouble is the fact that the last King of the North was the now defunct Soviet Union, although i suppose they could use Lithuania or Estonia as a link between the two, (alternatively, they could use the word "UNION" as a forced connection... I've seen worse, lol). -
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The EU and WTS prophecy
by dorayakii inthe european union does not exist on the american political landscape.
at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .
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Interesting point, although i do believe that the proposed Italian referendum is being proposed by Labour Minister Roberto Maroni, and involves not an abolition of the strong euro, but a return to double-circulation of the euro and the lira.
He argues that "when the euro came into circulation, many retailers steeply raised their prices, by dropping off the zeros from the old prices in lira. The changeover rate from lira to euro was a little under 2,000 lira for every euro. With the adoption of the euro, Italian consumers found themselves paying much more for goods and services ranging from fruit and vegetables to plumbing repairs and dining out."
It would be foolhardy for the Italians to pull completely out of the euro at this stage and would irrevocably damage their economy as well as place them further outside the Union. Complete withdrawal would harm their future ability to buy oil at a reasonable price, because many Middle-eastern oil companies as well as the Russians are considering a change from pricing their oil in dollars to doing so in euros. In 1999 Iraq started trading oil in Euros, some even believe this was the reason the Bush administration invaded Iraq. Since the war though this discrepancy has now been put "right".
This is an interesting although slightly biased exert from a book "Europe vs. America"
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The EU and WTS prophecy
by dorayakii inthe european union does not exist on the american political landscape.
at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .
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My main question was more to do with how the WTS will interpret this growing EU threat to their doctrine of the "7th Anglo-American World Power", and less to do with how accurate their interpretation is. I suppose the two headed wild beast could be shifted to symbolise the Euro-American power as opposed to the Anglo-American one.
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The EU and WTS prophecy
by dorayakii inthe european union does not exist on the american political landscape.
at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .
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What does anyone else think about this?
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The EU and WTS prophecy
by dorayakii inthe european union does not exist on the american political landscape.
at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .
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The European Union does not exist on the American political landscape. At a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the EU and China as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the U.S. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, George W. Bush has not even mentioned the EU in any speech given in 2004. Not once. (http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html)
The EU surpasses the United States in a number of key areas, and has the potential to overtake it in many other issues. The wikipedia, using the CIA as its source, states that EU GDP is 13,92 trillion dollars, whereas US GDP is "only" 12,438 trillion.
EU companies and firms are rapidly buying up their US counterparts (Cadbury-Schweppes buying 7Up and Dr Pepper for example). European companies such as Nokia, Vodaphone, Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, Ikea, and Nestlé are doing coniderably better than their US counterparts. Airbus has recently had a string of sucesses over Boeing.
Europeans have overcome their differences to form a borderless Union, European citizenship, single currency, a rotating EU president, (and they almost got round to having a constitution). The Euro is far stronger than the almighty Dollar.
It then follows, that the EU should feature strongly in a King of the North/South debate in one of the Society's future publications. -
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The EU and WTS prophecy
by dorayakii inthe european union does not exist on the american political landscape.
at a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the eu and china as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the u.s. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, george w. bush has not even mentioned the eu in any speech given in 2004. not once.
(http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html) .
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The European Union does not exist on the American political landscape. At a time when many foreign-policy experts are looking toward a multipolar world with the EU and China as two of the important poles, when foreign-policy issues are more important in the U.S. presidential election than at any time in recent memory, George W. Bush has not even mentioned the EU in any speech given in 2004. Not once. (http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/10/18/news/edslaughter.html)
The EU surpasses the United States in a number of key areas, and has the potential to overtake it in many other issues. The wikipedia, using the CIA as its source, states that EU GDP is 13,92 trillion dollars, whereas US GDP is "only" 12,438 trillion.
EU companies and firms are rapidly buying up their US counterparts (Cadbury-Schweppes buying 7Up and Dr Pepper for example). European companies such as Nokia, Vodaphone, Ferrari, Mercedes-Benz, Ikea, and Nestlé are doing coniderably better than their US counterparts. Airbus has recently had a string of sucesses over Boeing.
Europeans have overcome their differences to form a borderless Union, European citizenship, single currency, a rotating EU president, (and they almost got round to having a constitution). The Euro is far stronger than the almighty Dollar.
It then follows, that the EU should feature strongly in a King of the North/South debate in one of the Society's future publications. -
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Male or Female
by love2Bworldly ini have been reading over the forum today and something hit me.
because i don't look up everyone's histories, there are people i assumed were either male or female--partly based on their avatar and partly based on the type of comments they make.
well guess what folks--i was shocked to find out i was wrong about a few people.. does anyone else out there decide that certain posters are male or female, and then find out they're wrong?
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katiekitten, "laydee" indeed. i think that one will be lost on our american friends, LOL.
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Did Genesis indicate literal creation days?
by M.J. inthe wts and others say the 6 days of creation in genesis are symbolic of longer time periods, while many others insist that a proper (and uncompromising) exegis reveals literal days.
i have a hunch that the author literally meant what he wrote.
the jw counter-argument to this is that genesis was written by moses and moses wrote psalm 90, which reads in part (v4):.
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Well, Genesis 2:4 (NWT) says: "This is the history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." So the 6-day period mentioned in Genesis 1 is itself reduced to one day. (Also, the view that Paul held in Hebrews 3 and 4, of the ongoing 7th rest day, may not have been the view that the writer of Genesis held.)
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Observing the Sabbath
by azaria ina while ago my mother mentioned not observing the sabbath which surprised me.. ray franz also mentions it in his book coc.
one day while reading my bible i came across these verses.
hebrews 4:1 therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.
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If you were to read the surrounding verses, it would make the point of those verses quite clear:-
7 For this reason, just as the holy spirit says: ?Today if YOU people listen to his own voice, 8 do not harden YOUR hearts as on the occasion of causing bitter anger, as in the day of making the test in the wilderness, 9 in which YOUR forefathers made a test of me with a trial, and yet they had seen my works for forty years. 10 For this reason I became disgusted with this generation and said, ?They always go astray in their hearts, and they themselves have not come to know my ways.? 11 So I swore in my anger, ?They shall not enter into my rest.??
12 Beware, brothers, for fear there should ever develop in any one of YOU a wicked heart lacking faith by drawing away from the living God; 13 but keep on exhorting one another EACH DAY, as long as it may be called ?Today,? for fear any one of YOU should become hardened by the deceptive power of sin. 14 For we actually become partakers of the Christ only if we make fast our hold on the confidence we had at the beginning firm to the end, 15 while it is being said: ?Today if YOU people listen to his own voice, do not harden YOUR hearts as on the occasion of causing bitter anger.?
16 For who were they that heard and yet provoked to bitter anger? Did not, in fact, all do so who went out of Egypt under Moses? 17 Moreover, with whom did [God] become disgusted for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness? 18 But to whom did he swear that they should not enter into his rest except to those who acted disobediently? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of lack of faith.
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For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: ?And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,? 5 and again in this place: ?They shall not enter into my rest.?
6 Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again marks of a certain day by saying after so long a time in David?s [psalm] ?Today?; just as it has been said above: ?Today if YOU people listen to his own voice, do not harden YOUR hearts.? 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. 10 For the man that has entered into [God?s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own.
11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, for fear anyone should fall in the same pattern of disobedience. 12 For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart. 13 And there is not a creation that is not manifest to his sight, but all things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him with whom we have an accounting.
As we all know, Jesus' sacrifice put an end to the Mosaic Law... but not to law. * This means that we are not legally bound to the Mosaic Law and Sabbath, but we are bound to Christ's law of love and the Christian sabbath. This law of love (love for God and for our neighbour) guides our Bible-trained conscience. It consists of principles and guidelines instead of laws and statutes** of the "thou-shalt-not" type. Reason it out this way, why have a law which says "Thou shalt not muderder!" when the law "Love thy neighbour" will cover that law and the rest of the 10 commandments? The only law that wasn't covered by Christ's law of love though, was the Sabbath. But it was replaced by a greater sabbath just as the other laws were replaced by greater versions. This is where the Christian Sabbath comes in. But, what is the Christian sabbath?
God's rest "day" as we know, was not literally one day. Each of the creative days could have lasted thousands of years*** (if the term "years" means anything in the spiritual realm). In fact God is still in his rest day. Thats why the talks about us entering his rest-day or his sabbath and this is the day that he has "marked off". Being in God's rest-day depends on us applying the law of love and serving him wholesouled all the time, not just only on one special specific day as many of the hypocrites do, going to church on saturday or on sunday but forgetting the Lord at all other times. They "have a form of godly devotion but prove false to its power". (2 Timothy 3:5) Also in Mark 2:28, Jesus is given the title "Lord of the Sabbath". Does this mean that he is only our Lord on Saturday? Well, obviously no!
A key to understanding the purpose of the Christian sabbath, is to consider the purpose of the original sabbath given to Moses. It was a time for reflecting on what Jehovah/Yahweh had done for them in Egypt and in the wilderness. Likewise for Christians, the sabbath is a time for appreciating both God's and Jesus' self-sacrifice in providing the Ransom for us.
In summery, Christians do have a sabbath, but it is not a legalistic one. We rest from our "own works" and take up the works of our God (believe it or not, this is resting). The reason why Jesus' critisised the Pharisees, was that they obeyed God's Law to the letter, but forgot love for God and neighbour. By following the "law of love" and celebrating the Christian sabbath every day, we will be able to enter God's sabbath, which has been every day since creation, and which is a permanent reminder for us. Anytime the sabbath is mentioned in the Christian scriptures, it refers to the permantent Christian sabbath which should permeate our lives. This sabbath is the identifying mark of God's worshippers... It is a product of Christ's law of love. When Jesus was talking to the Samaritan woman at the well he said to her : "Believe me, woman, The hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you people worship the Father... Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is NOW, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. (John 4:21 and 23) Likewise, if i may audaciously extend the application of the principle of this scripture, the time has NOW come when neither on Friday nor on Saturday nor on Sunday will we worship the Father. The time is NOW when we should be worshipping the Father in spirit and truth, everyday!!!
* This is why Romans 10:4 and Mathhew 5:17 do not contradict one another. "Christ is the end of the Law." ... "Do not think i came to destroy the Law" ... Galations 3:19 says " Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made"
** Matthew 23:23,24 " Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel!" (Jesus condemned those who follow the Law to the letter, but forget the principles behind the law, as hypocrites. May we never fall under the same definition.)*** Genesis 2:4 " This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven." (All six "days" were condensed into one "day". This indicates the symbolic nature of the word "day". eg. Back in my grandfather's day.. etc..)
n.b If I have said anything unscriptural or unreasonable, please point it out so that I can be humbly corrected and readjusted in my thinking. All quotes are from the New World Translation