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  Who plays a musical instrument?

  by JH in

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  everybody likes music, but i don't know many people who play an instrument.

  years ago, every house had a piano, and just about everybody in the house played the piano, but not today.

  we all know that farkel is an excellent pianist, and i do enjoy listening to his music.. does any of you play a musical instrument?

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  I've played piano and drums since I was 6. Took classical piano lessons for 8 straight years, but have lost a lot of those skills since. I now produce and spin house music and jazzy hip-hop.
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  Even MORE Things Eating at MY Mind

  by Francois in

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  i like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires.

  i believe the money i make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for squirting out babies.

  guns do not make you a killer.

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  The United States is considered America, not Mexico, not Canada. Therefore the people that live within the USA are considered Americans. Most continents are split up into different countries - I don't see what's so difficult to understand about that.

  The people that took over or founded the land that is called the USA were all white.

  They used blacks as slaves.

  As time progressed, blacks fought for their right to be viewed as equal HUMANS, and they won.

  Unfortunately, not all is smooth in the relationship between blacks and white. Racism still exists, and believe it or not, many black people are still made to feel inferior to whites. It took my girlfriends grandparents a full year to accept me into the family. Ever had to experience that, Francois? Have you ever been looked down upon for being white? Have you ever been made to feel that you're not good enough for your wife because you're white?

  Probably not. And that's your problem. You fail to possess the ability to put yourself in another shoes, therefore you spit out random thoughtless garbage about sensitive things that you KNOW are touchy subjects, and you still don't care. And anyone who dares confront you about it, even if they do so in a nice manner, better be prepared for a verbal attack of insults.

  You're pathetic.

  Why care if black people want to distinguish themselves as Afro-American? Whites are the ones that put up the wall - you think they made blacks want to feel apart of America??

  Skin colors represent different cultures as well, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to identify w/ ones culture. I can't understand why anyone would see a problem with a Spanish TV station, or an Asian restaurant. What's the frikkin difference?

  I actually agree with most of your statements in your post except for the black thing, however the way you responded to Gary was predictable and childish. You've got issues.
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  Elder Rumor How Widesprd: IraqWar=WWIII=Armageddon

  by romansfourteen1to6 in

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  an inactive friend just spoke to some elders who, not from the platform but one-on-one, said they believe the coming war with iraq will cause world war iii and armageddon.

  has anyone else heard this?

  it may be that some are using this as a tactic to scare inactives back into the watchtower society along with their needed donations, especially since the pedophile and wts-u.n. scandals.

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  No doubt most JW's think this will lead to Armeggeddon.

  I'm convinced this war isn't going to be as simple as is hoped for.

  Sadaam is not gonna go out without doing some damage.

  I wouldn't be surprised if USA started getting suicide-bombed once the war starts. We're stocking up on stuff - just in case. You never know. Better safe than sorry IMO.
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  Where's the scriptural support for 1935??

  by back2dafront in

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  *** w88 1/1 11 the last days-a time of harvest *** .

  john, in another vision, sees the sealing of the final ones of the 144,000.

  (revelation 7:1-8) evidently, the gathering of these was virtually complete by 1935. .

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  hahaha

  so no scriptural support. interesting.

  So...let me get this straight:

  They believe 144,000 go to heaven.

  They believe God's holy spirit selects these chosen ones.

  They believe that by 1935 all of these had already been selected.

  There are people that have claimed to be of the anointed since 1935.

  These people are not disfellowshipped for going against organizational doctrine.

  There is no scriptural support for this organizational doctrine.

  If one accepts a blood transfusion, which is not spoken against verbatim in the bible, they can get disfellowshipped.

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  There are so many things that aren't right with this religion that is supposedly God's direct channel to life.
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  Where's the scriptural support for 1935??

  by back2dafront in

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  *** w88 1/1 11 the last days-a time of harvest *** .

  john, in another vision, sees the sealing of the final ones of the 144,000.

  (revelation 7:1-8) evidently, the gathering of these was virtually complete by 1935. .

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  *** w88 1/1 11 The Last Days-A Time of Harvest ***
  8 However, they are not alone. John, in another vision, sees the sealing of the final ones of the 144,000. (Revelation 7:1-8) Evidently, the gathering of these was virtually complete by 1935.

  *** re 125 20 A Multitudinous Great Crowd ***
  Apparently, the full number of the 144,000 had yet to be filled. But increasing numbers of those who heeded the message and who showed zeal in the witness work came to profess an interest in living forever on the Paradise earth. They had no desire to go to heaven. That was not their calling. They were no part of the little flock but rather of the other sheep. (Luke 12:32; John 10:16) Their being identified in 1935 as the great crowd of other sheep was an indication that the choosing of the 144,000 was then about complete.

  *** ws 49 6 On the Watch During "the Conclusion of the System of Things" ***
  6 In the mid-1930s, something significant took place. What occurred suggested that the membership of the spiritual bride of Christ had been filled, that there were on earth enough spirit-begotten disciples of the Bridegroom to make up the full number of his heavenly bride.

  I see no scriptures cited in any of these quotes. Do they still believe this or has there been "new light?"

  Trying to gather up some information for my next conversation with dad...any input would be greatly appreciated.

  Thanks,

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  Why isn't the Watchtower the true religion?

  by StinkyPantz in

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  i have been asked by a jw friend of mine to share with him the reasons why i believe that the watchtower is not the true religion.

  what all do you think that i should share with him?.

  -i'm going to share the information about their hypocrisy in being a un ngo.

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  Have 'em read this:

  http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Mantey.htm

  Here is the letter written by Julius R. Mantey, whose Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament has been quoted by various Watchtower publications in their discussions of John 1:1-2:

  "I have a copy of your letter addressed to Caris in Santa Ana, California and I am writing to express my disagreement with statements made in that letter, as well as in quotations you have made from The Dana-Mantey Greek Grammar.

  1. Your statement: "their work allows for the rendering found in the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures at John 1:1." There is no statement in our grammar that was ever meant to imply that "a god" was a permissible translation in John 1:1. A. We had no "rule" to argue in support of the trinity. B. Neither did we state that we did have such intention. We were simply delineating the facts inherent in Biblical language. C. Your quotation from P. 148(3) was in a paragraph under the heading: "With the Subject in a Copulative Sentence." Two examples occur here to illustrate that "the article points out the subject in these examples." But we made no statement in this paragraph about the predicate except that, "as it stands the other persons of the trinity may be implied in theos." And isn't that the opposite of what your translation "a god" infers? You quoted me out of context. On pages 139 and 140 (VI) in our grammar we stated: "without the article theos signifies divine essence...theos en ho logos emphasizes Christ's participation in the essence of the divine nature." Our interpretation is in agreement with that in NEB and the TED: "What God was, the Word was"; and with that of Barclay: "The nature of the Word was the same as the nature of God," which you quoted in your letter to Caris.
  2. Since Colwell's and Harner's article in JBL, especially that of Harner, it is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 "The Word was a god." Word-order has made obsolete and incorrect such a rendering.
  3. Your quotation of Colwell's rule is inadequate because it quotes only a part of his findings. You did not quote this strong assertion: "A predicate nominative which precedes the verb cannot be translated as an indefinite or a 'qualitative' noun solely because of the absence of the article."
  4. Prof. Harner, Vol. 92:1 (1973) in JBL, has gone beyond Colwell's research and has discovered that anarthrous predicate nouns preceding the verb function primarily to express the nature or character of the subject. He found this true in 53 passages in the Gospel of John and 8 in the Gospel of Mark. Both scholars wrote that when indefiniteness was intended that gospel writers regularly placed the predicate noun after the verb, and both Colwell and Harner have stated that theos in John 1:1 is not indefinite and should not be translated "a god". Watchtower writers appear to be the only ones advocating such a translation now. The evidence appears to be 99% against them.
  5. Your statement in your letter that the sacred text itself should guide one and "not just someone's rule book." We agree with you. But our study proves that Jehovah's Witnesses do the opposite of that whenever the "sacred text" differs with their heretical beliefs. For example the translation of kolasis as cutting off when punishment is the only meaning cited in the lexicons for it. The mistranslation of ego eimi as "I have been" in John 8:58. The addition of "for all time" in Hebrews 9:27 when nothing in the Greek New Testament supports it.

  The attempt to belittle Christ by mistranslating arche tes ktiseos "beginning of the creation" when he is magnified as "the creator of all things" (John 1:2) and as "equal with God" (Phil. 2:6) before he humble himself and lived in a human body here on earth. Your quotation of "The father is greater than I am" (John 14:28) to prove that Jesus was not equal to God overlooks the fact stated in Phil. 2:6-8. When Jesus said that, he was still in his voluntary state of humiliation. That state ended when he ascended to heaven. Why the attempt to deliberately deceive people by mispunctuation by placing a comma after "today" in Luke 23:43 when in the Greek, Latin, German and all English translations except yours, even in the Greek in your KIT, the comma occurs after lego (I say) -- "Today you will be with me in Paradise." 2 Cor. 5:8, "to be out of the body and at home with the Lord." These passages teach that the redeemed go immediately to heaven after death, which does not agree with your teachings that death ends all life until the resurrection. Cf. Ps. 23:6 and Heb. 1:10.

  The aforementioned are only a few examples of Watchtower mistranslations and perversions of God's Word. In view of the preceding facts, especially because you have been quoting me out of context, I herewith request you not to quote from the Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament again, which you have been doing for 24 years. Also that you not quote it or me in any of your publications from this time on.

  Also that you publicly and immediately apologize in the Watchtower magazine, since my words had no relevance in the absence of the article before theos in John 1:1. And please write to Caris and state that you misused and misquoted my "rule". On the page before the Preface in the grammar are these words: "All rights reserved -- no part of this book may be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the publisher." If you have such permission, please send me a photo-copy of it.
  If you do not heed these requests you will suffer the consequences.

  Respectfully yours,

  Julius R. Mantey

  More info on the same subject here:

  http://www.bible.ca/Jw-NWT.htm

  What leading Greek scholars say about the NWT:

  1. Dr. Bruce M.
  Metzger , professor of New Testament at Princeton University, calls the NWT "a frightful mistranslation ," " Erroneous " and " pernicious " " reprehensible " "If the Jehovah's Witnesses take this translation seriously, they are polytheists ." (Professor of New Testament Language and Literature)
  2. Dr. William
  Barclay , a leading Greek scholar, said "it is abundantly clear that a sect which can translate the New Testament like that is intellectually dishonest ."
  3. British scholar H.H. Rowley stated, "From beginning to end this volume is a shining example of how the Bible
  should not be translated ."
  4. "Well, as a backdrop, I was disturbed because they (Watchtower) had
  misquoted me in support of their translation." (These words were excerpted from the tape, "Martin and Julius Mantey on The New World Translation", Mantey is quoted on pages 1158-1159 of the Kingdom interlinear Translation)
  5. Dr. Julius
  Mantey , author of A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, calls the NWT "a shocking mistranslation ." "Obsolete and incorrect." "It is neither scholarly nor reasonable to translate John 1:1 'The Word was a god.'"
• "I have never read any New Testament
so badly translated as The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of The Greek Scriptures.... it is a distortion of the New Testament . The translators used what J.B. Rotherham had translated in 1893, in modern speech, and changed the readings in scores of passages to state what Jehovah's Witnesses believe and teach. That is a distortion not a translation ." (Julius Mantey , Depth Exploration in The New Testament (N.Y.: Vantage Pres, 1980), pp.136-137)
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translators of the NWT are "diabolical deceivers ." (Julius Mantey in discussion with Walter Martin)

The New World Translation is CRAP , therefore there's no way they can be the only true religion.