Posts by back2dafront

I find it strange that people here want things to slow down in order to preserve life. Face it. Its going to happen. The sad thing is all of this 'slowing down' and 'waiting for inspections' is giving Saddam more time to build defensive positions and produce more weapons. If anything, all of this crap is going to cost more lives. Thanks alot.

Like it's gonna matter how many defensive positions he builds???

And you think he's building more weapons right now as inspectors are still in there AND spy planes are free to fly all over? I find that difficult to imagine. Maybe you have some inside scoop on this...???

I just can't bring myself to conclude that we're just gonna go in there, bomb them out, help them set up a new government and everything will be fine and peachy. This war is extremely high risk. This ain't the Taliban we're dealing with. Bush better succeed in this cuz if not things ain't gonna look to pretty.

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The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

by D8TA in

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while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

back2dafront

I wonder if Sadaam will run for the mountains like Osama did.

This is turning into quite the sticky event. I hope it goes as smoothly as you think, grunt.

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6 Reasons The U.S. Should Slow Down

by teejay in

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6 reasons why so many allies want bush to slow down .

by johanna mcgeary.

sunday, january 26, 2003.

back2dafront

CZAR,

How do you propose to "make" Iraq accept things like spy planes. THEY DON'T WANT TO! There is not a diplomatic way to make them do anything. The only way we can is if we whack them. Take 'em out!

Did you read the news today?

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The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

by D8TA in

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friends

while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

back2dafront

I just re-read this whole thread, and I think it's really lame that things like this can't be discussed in a civilized manner.

You know, the Americans are the only ones on this board that argue about their government. Why is that? The canadians diss their Prime Minister and nobody cares. But in America, you diss Bush and you're gauranteed to have several people jump down your throat. People need to seriously LIGHTEN UP.

D8TA's post in merely for awareness. That's it. It stresses the need to be aware of what's going on in the world and with the laws being passed. There's no question the purpose of the laws - they are to protect us from terrorism. That's not debatable. But could they ever be used against us if the definition of "terrorist" suddenly took on a different meaning? That remains to be seen. Again, something to think about, especially in times like these when our lives could change at any moment.

Some people look at things and take it at face value. If I were Arab-American, I would be especially concerned about these latest laws. Would it not be to my advantage to really ponder over these laws? Would it be wise for an Arab-AMerican to join an anti-war movement right now?

Since when was it senseless to speculate on things? It's wise to speculate on certain things - for example, would not an arab-american speculate what could possibly happen to them if another terrorist attack occured on American soil? Would it not be wise for them to be up-to-date on the current laws and happenings in this country so that they could take every precautionary measure possible to ensure their safety?

Just because I'm not Arab-American doesn't mean I shouldn't be aware of the details of these laws either. Whether or not these laws end up to our disadvantage in any way remains to be seen, as D8TA CLEARLY stated more than once. The fact remains that the government now has power to monitor our lives a lot more closely than before these laws were passed. Granted, as long as we're not involved in terrorist activity, we'll probably have nothing to worry about. This remains to be seen.

If you don't think there is anything to concern yourself with, then don't. But some people think it's to their advantage to consider possible under-lying meanings behind things, and they, as an American, have that right. I don't understand why some people think everything is so cut and dry - how they say they don't trust politicians but adhere and believe everything they tell us. But...whatever...some things are not meant to understand.

Farkel, since I'm evidently the young pup you were referring to, maybe you can enlighten me as to what exactly your age and wisdom knows that I'm unable to understand.

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6 Reasons The U.S. Should Slow Down

by teejay in

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friends

6 reasons why so many allies want bush to slow down .

by johanna mcgeary.

sunday, january 26, 2003.

back2dafront

*sigh*

Roybatty,

Please provide straightforward answers to the questions presented. Nobody implied waiting 6-12 months. The scenario proposed was for a month - just a little more time to get this to happen without bombing baghdad to bits. Others have stated we don't need the UN and that's it's worthless, however if this is all done under the umbrella of the UN, it becomes a move made and supported by the WORLD, not just the USA, and that would mean a world of difference.

If they don't allow the troops in, again, the U.N. moves in by force. Again, a world decision, not the USA's.

You want to know how they are a threat to humanity? Ok, Iraq continues the cat and mouse game and develops not only WMD but also long range missles. Now they have the ability to hold the world hostage just as NK has done.

Again I'll ask, how are they going to actively develop these weapons under the noses of inspectors, troops and spy planes? ANSWER THE QUESTION PLEASE!!!

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The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

by D8TA in

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friends

while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

back2dafront

D8TA,

No use in trying teach an old dog new tricks. Once they get caught up in their vision, any voice of reason cannot steer them clear an inch in either direction.

When discussing anything contrary to their vision, you're labeled as some negative political category that automatically labels you as insane and not knowing what you're talking about.

No matter what proof you provide, it's never good enough.

Anything that doesn't support the propaganda given to us by Fox network is a conspiracy theory and therefore merits no validity whatsoever.

Their arguments go round and round in the same predictable pattern every single time. Evidence for support of a statement is always based on an action they feel should have happened previously if the latter would prove to be correct and is never based on the facts presented. In fact, no matter how often you state the facts, they will without question go back to the same weak argument as support, when in essence the reality of life is that what happened 10 years ago happened 10 years ago. We're in a totally different scenario now - it's 2003 baby.

I find it quite amusing how people are so quick to label someone as a 'wacky conspiratist' or 'hard-core environmentalist' and then don't respond when you challenge them on what you say. I started a thread about this simply to test the water, and it proved true. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=45395&site=3

It's too bad some people haven't grasped the fact that you cannot trust everyone, especially politicians. Just like the JW's, they paint a beautiful picture and bark a strong, convincing argument, but when you dissect the organization you find all the dirt and uncover the real story which is all about control of the masses which equals MONEY IN THEIR POCKET.

The similarities are so obvious it's scary. Sad to escape one and plunge head first into the other.

I'd have to agree with the subject of this thread.

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The Show of Over-Patriotism Astounds Me

by D8TA in

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while you watch your britney spears videos...your freedom is being taken away.. while you cheer for your nba team and drink that beer...your freedom is being taken away.. while you watch cnn/msnbc/foxnews reports about laci peterson and shuttle disasters....your freedom is being taken away.. while you see one of the greatest misdirections about "condition orange" blinking on your sets....your freedom is being taken away.. while you hoot-n-holler for going to war with saddam hussien...your freedom is being taken away.. while you turn on your computer to surf the internet...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about what sports car to buy...your freedom is being taken away.. while you sit in your home with the heat on, enjoying 3 sqaures a day...your freedom is being taken away.. while you worry about your next job promotion...your freedom is being taken away.. while you are being suckered by the greatest sham from the u.s. government...your freedom is being taken away.. it's amazing, that very few here realize what the patriot act and dept.

of homeland defense represents....and what is now in place.

for the rest who don't know...you have my pity.

back2dafront

Dakota,

D8TA, try reading the act for yourself instead of listening to those who want to return to political power by any means. You have not lost a single freedom at all. Troops are not roaming the streets gunning down innocent civilians. No one is being monitored due to religious belief or political leanings. However, I would agree that any who advocate the destruction of our civilization do merit monitoring. There are no mass concentration camps where "hundreds of innocent people" are being held. Yes, Al Qeada operatives are being held in Cuba and questioned. Last I heard, they weren't made citizens as they were captured. No one has shown any to be tortured or beaten, as their mentors have been known to do.

Of course the problem isn't now - we're talking about what may very well develop in the future. The very near future. Hopefully YOU ARE RIGHT and this policy will only protect us and incriminate those who are truly guilty of planning terrorists attacks on this country!

But what one must realize is that these very laws that are built on the principle of incriminating the potential "terrorist" can also incriminate US if we are suddenly considered a "terrorist" by the government. A "terrorist" could be anyone against the USA or supporting interests, political parties, etc. contrary to their regime.

It's just something to think and be aware of. Do you agree??

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6 Reasons The U.S. Should Slow Down

by teejay in

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friends

6 reasons why so many allies want bush to slow down .

by johanna mcgeary.

sunday, january 26, 2003.

back2dafront

When is enough time enough? If Saddam has really destroyed the WMD, why all the stonewalling? The job of the inspectors are to verify the destruction of known WMD, not dig through the countryside seeking hidden weapons. Saddam hasn't accounted for WMD he admitted to having earlier. Why?

I understand what you're saying - 100%. By the books Sadaam needs to be ousted - he's broken the rules. I don't believe that's the issue here though. It's the manner in which he is ousted. A U.S. led bombing campaign or a U.N. led campaign that could potentially end with Sadaam giving up but would more than likely lead to a bombing/invasion by the U.N. troops and armies. Which to you think is the safer method for the world and why?

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Okay, Someone "Enlighten" Me... Pleas...

by AGuest in

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just what is it that saddam hussein has done/is alleged to have done... to warrant a war by the us upon his country, and the most certain result of mass murder of innocent men, women and children, as a result?.

now, i also ask you: please be careful in your response, as all i want are facts, versus emotional vengefulness... and such facts that say this is what he has done so that the us is rightfully entitled to war against iraq.

to that end, then, i would also ask that you make sure your reply takes into account that the us itself has not done similar... or equal... anywhere else in the world... so as to warrant the same result on upon them.. i await your response... and i truthfully bid you peace.. sj, a slave of christ, who is still trying to understand the "thoughts"... of earthling man... though i serious doubt i will....

back2dafront

Well, honestly, my last vehicle was a ford mustang (which i still own but don't drive)

I recently bought a toyota pick up truck simply because I'm a musician and i have to have a means of transporting my equipment.

I don't know of any electric trucks yet.

I'm in the process of selling my mustang so that I can buy an electric car to commute back and forth to work.

That's what I'm doing to save money and protect the environment - how about you?

I'm not saying previous administrations didn't do what they should've done either, all I'm saying is that Bush outrightly refused to sign Kyoto and has transgressed in his policies regarding the environment instead of progressing. If Gore was president now and didn't sign Kyoto I'd be pointing fingers at him too.

This isn't just about 100 mpg carbeurators either. I'm sure you've read the numerous other posts about alternate energy - there's a company in Arizona that's building homes that generate their own energy. Solar power, wind power, hydrogen, etc etc...you do realize that investment in such sources now would save us all money down the road, right?

You guys talk about "hard-core environmentalists" as if it's a bad thing. I don't understand what's bad about being concerned about the environment. ??? Why the negativity? Because you're that attached to your SUV? To your current lifestyle? Is that what life is for you?

You guys should come to California and see just how breath-taking the earth is in certain places. (not like this is the only place in the USA that's beautiful, because it isn't) Ever swim in a crystal clear river in America? You can in northern cali. Ever hike amongst the giant redwoods and sequoia trees? The earth is a beautiful place, and it's designed in such a way to support life if it's key components are not tampered with.

I live in a city that has clean air, but I work in a city that doesn't. When I make my way down into the "valley" 6 times out of 8 the smog is so thick you can't see the mountains in the background that you can see on a clear day. You think breathing that stuff in doesn't effect your health? Well, it does and it's not getting any better unless people make a change. I want to raise my future family in the best surroundings as possible, so yeah - i'm a "hard core environmentalist" and I'm damn proud to be. It's not all about "saving the animals" ya know - it's about preventing our two coasts from dissappearing beneath sea level in 20 years.

Yes, I agree that the Federal governement needs to do more but I've grown tired of screaming and pointing fingers at the Bush administration while at the same time driving giant SUVs.

So you give up and support them? This is your country too you know - everyone constantly yells about our freedoms and our rights, yet YOU don't stand up for your own?!?!

This is crazy. If this kind of reasoning represents the majority of this nation, this country is doomed. I'd be far more content in the mountains of Chile than amongst people who's only values in life are the size of their Explorers.

This is really depressing.